coded information in DNA

Hi guys, I couldn't find a thread on this specific question which I'm sure has been mentioned somewhere, please forgive me. But how do we account for the coded symbolic information in DNA through the laws of physics and chemistry?

This is an interesting topic to discuss.However, before it can be promoted we'd need to see a lot more detail.Please define "coded symbolic information" so we know what is being discussed. That would be a good start.Then you should offer your own views on the subject. That is, to you think there is or is not a problem for DNA to have this stuff and why do you think that.

Hello AdminNosy,Coded information = a system of symbols used by an encoding / decoding mechanism that transmits a message which is seperate from the communication medium itself.Examples would be english, computer languages, radio signal and music and yes, DNA. All known codes always involve a system of symbols which represent a idea, concept or plans etc.As far as my view on this, I don't see how the laws of physics and chemistry alone can account for the coded information contained in DNA. All known codes that we know the origin of always come from intelligent activity.The next question I suppose is will we all agree DNA contains coded information or not. I say it most surely does based on information theory itself. We can start here I guess, thx.

I guess the topic is done with then.Since DNA's "message" is not separate from the medium at all it doesn't meet the definition of you Coded Information.DNA is just chemistry. Can you explain why you think it is anything more?

Seperate in the sense that paper and ink does not account for the information in a book. Books cannot be reduced to paper and ink and DNA is not reducible to chemicals.A book containing random letters contains no message. A hypothetical DNA molecule with random bases contains no plan / instructions for an organism. But a real book and a real DNA molecule both contain real codes represented by symbols composed of real matter that represent real useful information and uniquely specify external objects, processes and ideas. The code itself is an immaterial entity.Naturalistic explanations may provide the materials, but still fail to explain the origin of the code. Why? Because coded information is an immaterial entity and based on all known observation, is only created by mental processes.

Since DNA is very much reducible to chemicals you might want to do more research before you try to discuss this.But I'll let this go for now.You will have to support your arguments with evidence or this thread will be closed.All you have done so far is make unsupported assertions. That will not be allowed to continue.You have a few days to get it sorted out.

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