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Jon
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Message 1 of 10 (393700)
04-06-2007 1:34 PM


I really don't see the reason that the Creos keep arguing creationism as science. Every so often they come up with some different piece of "evidence" to support their position. The evidence ALWAYS has some sort of flaw, and ultimately is shown to be fake, misinterpreted, etc.
So, what really keeps those Creos ticking? How can you present point after point after point and have it rejected, and still keep trying? Do they actually think that one day we might be swayed? That sometime they will find a dino-human print combo and we'll see the Light? They must surely be dilusional to think such stuff. Perhaps they could tell us their motives here?
It's like having your credit card rejected after swiping it for the 86th time and handing it back to the clerk to have them try it again!
When will they learn!?
Jon
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Title changed from "We're Not Going to Budge: Evos UNITE!." to "Reasons for Creationist Persistence"

In considering the Origin of Species, it is quite conceivable that a naturalist... might come to the conclusion that each species had not been independently created, but had descended, like varieties, from other species. - Charles Darwin On the Origin of Species

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Message 2 of 10 (393703)
04-06-2007 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jon
04-06-2007 1:34 PM


Do they actually think that one day we might be swayed?
They expect victory any day now, and have been doing so for the last 180 years ...

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nyenye
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Message 3 of 10 (393705)
04-06-2007 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jon
04-06-2007 1:34 PM


Jon, you're a evc addict.. and a junkie. I love you!

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Message 4 of 10 (393708)
04-06-2007 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jon
04-06-2007 1:34 PM


It's the PT Barnum principle at work.

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Message 5 of 10 (393725)
04-06-2007 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jon
04-06-2007 1:34 PM


It's public relations. They don't really care if they convince the scientific community. Their goal is to convince the general public and those who are in positions to make policy decisions about what's going to be taught in schools.
Scientific success and accuracy aren't nearly as important as surface plausibility. And, keep in mind, at this stage, they don't have to prove that they are right, they only have to raise a certain level of doubt about whether science has it right.
To a degree, crash is right about the P.T. Barnum effect. If they keep saying the same thing over and over, people will begin to think there's some truth to it, even if we keep making the same refutations over and over. For those who aren't well-informed enough to understand the sometimes arcane arguments made, the natural response is, "Well, if they keep saying it even though it's been refuted, maybe the refutation missed something."

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 6 of 10 (393732)
04-06-2007 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jon
04-06-2007 1:34 PM


So, what really keeps those Creos ticking? How can you present point after point after point and have it rejected, and still keep trying? Do they actually think that one day we might be swayed? That sometime they will find a dino-human print combo and we'll see the Light? They must surely be dilusional to think such stuff. Perhaps they could tell us their motives here?
Well, I'm not one of them, but I can tell you what I think they're up to.
They are not trying to sway scientist. They are just trying to make their view not impossible. Rather than find support for their view, the resort to trying to refute the evidence against it. And it doesn't even have to be a plausible explanation, it just has to not-impossible.

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Message 7 of 10 (393736)
04-06-2007 4:42 PM
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04-06-2007 1:34 PM


Creationist overdraw
Gremled writes:
It's like having your credit card rejected after swiping it for the 86th time and handing it back to the clerk to have them try it again!
If only it were that simple! What is the evolutionist's equivalent of snipping a credit card in two?

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Message 8 of 10 (393775)
04-06-2007 10:13 PM


Not a "Coffee House" type topic - closing
This should have gone through the "Proposed New Topics" process and (presumably) ended up in one of the evo/creo debate forums.
Closing down.
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Message 9 of 10 (393995)
04-08-2007 11:44 PM


Reopened, about to move
Per requests and negotiations here, this topic is reopened and about to be moved.
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Message 10 of 10 (393998)
04-08-2007 11:45 PM


Thread copied to the Reasons for Creationist Persistence thread in the Is It Science? forum, this copy of the thread has been closed.

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