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Same difference Guest |
'Those who worship God must worship him in spirit and in truth.'If you do this then you have worshipped God.
So, Rei how would you worship God ? 'I am in the Father and the Father is in me' - Jesus Christ, this is for 'believer in Christ' - what matters is that we know Jesus is the son of God! (all that I quote is from memory, so forgive me if I err slightly)
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
This is 1 of 2 simularly themed topics started by the unregistered "Same difference".
As it is a "Welcome, Visitors!" forum topic, my inclination is to restrict both topics to a limited number of messages. In other words, this topic may well not stay open very long. I encourage "Same difference" to become a registered member. Choose the name you register as carefully, because you're probably going to be stuck with it. Adminnemooseus ------------------Comments on moderation procedures? - Go to Change in Moderation? or too fast closure of threads |
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Rei Member (Idle past 7013 days) Posts: 1546 From: Iowa City, IA Joined: |
Interesting... I'm not sure why this person picked me out; I guess I should be honored.
How would I worship God? Well, you're offering a theoretical here, since as a humanist I do not worship YHVH, Allah, the Greek pantheon, or any other deities out there. So, I guess since you offered a theoretical, I'll propose a theoretical method in which I would worship him. I would pose a model of the Buddy Christ on a cross-shaped coffee table, and sacrifice bowls of ice cream to him (consuming them once they have been offered). Mmmm... sacrilicious... Pray tell, friend, how do you "know Jesus is the son of God"? ------------------"Illuminant light, illuminate me."
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Same difference Guest |
Wow I didn't think her highness would credit me with a response.
Ofcourse my point is that as long as you worship God in spirit and in truth worship can be a choice of things, one person could worship very differently from another. I can see you do not seek a proper discussion about this so I guess this is my last post. Pray tell, friend, how do you "know Jesus is the son of God"? Ofcourse individually I know he is, I was not claiming everyone knows this truth. So I'm going to guess you don't seriously want an answer.
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Piltdown Man Guest |
It's hard to tell if your taking the poster 'Same Difference' seriously, from an outsiders point of view it just looks like your attacking those who worship a deity.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 8996 From: Canada Joined: |
Yea, there is a bit of a nasty tendancy for both sides to attack the others a bit sharply. I think it should be avoided.
But most of us understand that an attack on what we happen to believe or how we think about things isn't necessarily a personal attack. We also aren't so thin skinned as to take anything posted here personally. In the case of a specific belief in a supernatural deity there are those here who don't take that seriously. So what? Why should they? Then there are those who don't take any interest in science. They can choose to do that. If they want to debate with those who do that's ok too. However, I, for one, don't really care to debate about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin or anything about the nature of a diety that can not be determined by any methods I have ever heard of. It is, based on the huge disagreements between the self-professed believers, a waste of time. It always seems to come down to "cause I say so". (see how often Buzsaw tells us that the other Christians and other faiths are wrong for example) So we can leave everyone to believe what they want. If, however, one of the believers thinks they have something to say about scientific facts, logic or explanatory theories then they have decided to play the game of science. It has some rules. They take on the need to support themselves with good data and logic. That's more fun. SameDifference appears to what to discuss theology. Rei, apparently, isn't all that interested in taking what s/he has said so far very seriously. Samedifference only wants to discuss things on her/her terms and is leaving otherwise. Fine, there will be a place for them elsewhere.
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Rei Member (Idle past 7013 days) Posts: 1546 From: Iowa City, IA Joined: |
quote: Slow compile times can do amazing things.
quote: I'm not sure what you were trying to accomplish by asking a humanist how they would worship God. What sort of answer were you expecting?
quote:quote: Actually, I do. How do you "know Jesus is the son of God"? For example, a billion of Earth's people "know" that Vishnu is up there preserving the earth Is your "know" along the same vein? ------------------"Illuminant light, illuminate me."
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Same difference Guest |
Actually, I do. How do you "know Jesus is the son of God"? For example, a billion of Earth's people "know" that Vishnu is up there preserving the earth If I am guilty of this then yes it's the same difference but there are many reasons for my conclusions, including faith and belief and heres the tip of the iceburg on 'my thinking' ;Because, any reasonable person if they look from an outside view can see which is the real God. I mean vishnu worshippers I have never came across on theses sites, so I'm sceptical about your figures. The 'bible forum' existing on this site speaks volumes, it's obvious that even the athiests know if there is 'God' the most likely one that could be him is the biblical one. That's if humans happen to know about him ofcourse, you could say he is an unknown God or 'Einstein's' version, but I think ANYONE can see the best candidate from the 'humans' literary efforts and the most complete and likely to be God, God - can only be the biblical one. I mean if there is no evidence of Jesus (to you) then there must be 'minus no evidence' of this vishnu bloke. For example the historical Jesus is complimenting the 'faith Jesus' - any logical thinker can obviously see that they are the same person at this time, certainly the historians have shown this.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 8996 From: Canada Joined: |
And it is just as obvious to all the others that their god is the only real one. And they have just exactly as much "real", "historical" evidence as you do.
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Same difference Guest |
Ofcourse this is all because I said 'we know Jesus is the son of God'. I meant Christians, I did not say I could prove scientifically that he is the Son. The papyrus evidence of recently- certainly confirms the New Testament Jesus so far, okay it doesn't prove him but I'd like to see vishnu's evidence. I'm not decrediting the vishnu worshippers but she is the one turning this into a 'Is Jesus real' topic, not me, as message 1 was to 'believer in Christ' - a personal message it was not a declaration to the forum members.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Because, any reasonable person if they look from an outside view can see which is the real God. Yeah, none of 'em. The "any reasonable person" argument doesn't work when you define "reasonable person" as "anybody who agrees with you." That's circular reasoning, if you didn't know.
I mean vishnu worshippers I have never came across on theses sites, so I'm sceptical about your figures. That information is usually concealed in "books", so I'm not surprised you might have missed it. Get an almanac. Look up India's population figures. Vishnu is a Hindu god, and the Indians are Hindus. Now figure that since India has one of the highest rates of poverty, out of those billions of Hindus, almost none of them have computers and the internet. Jeez, use your brain for a minute.
it's obvious that even the athiests know if there is 'God' the most likely one that could be him is the biblical one. Here's the real explanation. We all speak English. In the English-speaking world, Christianity is the dominant influential religion. Those of us who think religion is a sham - atheists - tend to wind up arguing against those who think religion is real. Since we can hardly argue with people who don't speak our language, we tend to wind up arguing with Christians the most.
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Abshalom Inactive Member |
You mean to tell me that you don't find a blue-skinned boy with an elephant's head and six wobbling arms believable without "evidence" enscribed on papyrus by some paid scribe hopped up on ergot of rye?
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Same difference Guest |
Ofcourse am I right in thinking this 'hindu' says if you are poor you deserve it - shit happens, and to the rich 'if they are poor they deserve it, shit happens leave them to it.' I hope that's the right religion when I say that, but please ...... you think that is the real 'religion' hmmmmmm.
let'a be honest Frog, the biblical God covers two types of believers, the Jewish and the christian, he is a complete God who answers every 'why' question- can other religions do the same? or do you suggest I worship rats and shit?
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Same difference Guest |
This is all rubbish anyway, I'm not even arguing this point, it was a personal message - it's you people who want to argue it if your honest. Message 1 proves this. (and I can't edit)
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Same difference Guest |
We all speak English. In the English-speaking world, Christianity is the dominant influential religion. Next you'll be telling me Jesus was an english man, ofcourse he was a Jew!!!! So your thinking is bizarre. There is no rule saying ' and this testament is for the english speaking'- duh
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