I thought I was almost alone...

First things first, I have confidence in the process of Evolution, so you can say that I am quite firmly in the 'E' part of the EvC.Second I applaud the level of discussion here, even the 'C' guys try make a good fist of the little forsce they have.I am still reading your threads but with only a couple of hours the impressions are only good.I am afraid that with me you have to some extent another Buzsaw, to whom I tip my hat in acknowledgement of a like mind. Good day sir!I am vehemently anti-Islam and all it stands for I find the ignorance appalling and the followers pitiable.I am very argumentative and rude, so sadly likely to lower the tone on occasion and I apologise for that in advance.My background, Have doctorates in both Maths and Physics [Quantum] but try to avoid there use as simply it just confuses everyone and that just infuriates the unknowing and as it took me years to get where I am today, you can forget about me trying to teach or educate anyone about my chosen work.I am 38yo, White, English, brought up in a Home where both my parents told me that the Bible was originally a book written by good men with good intentions, It was a good story about good intentions that was corrupted by the greedy and manipulative... which I believe to be for the most part true.I am trying to gain a better knowledge of the present thinking on 'E' so my posts will not at first be very frequent.Regards to you allBoth 'E' and 'C' alike.V.

sounds like fun

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Welcome aboard.Brian.

Thank-you for the welcome.The more I read the more I like...Who's the 'big cheese' in the 'C' camp?I need to see what he/she is made of...I like to test people.RegardsV.

I would probably say: TrueCreation, mike the wiz, syamysu, and buzsaw.I'm YEC, but wouldn't say I compare at all to these C's.
TC may have changed camps, but I am not sure.

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Dear Vbird,Also welcome.
I'm in this place since only a few days.
Lots of readings all around.
I learn faster here, improving my english and filling up my ignorance.Denesha

Danesha, yep, agreed.I like Curry not Stew, so I'll get straight to the point, I cannot tell how disappointed I am that Buzsaw is a 'C', what is the poor soul thinking, is he beyond redemption?I was hoping to find an ally on all fronts, but I will have a problem coping with an Anti-Ilamicist that is a 'C'... all the time in my mind will be the thought that he is just bitter and envious of the blind ignorant devotion of the followers of that faith, still I suppose he can console himself with the thought that at least the Xians are [marginally] less sheep-like than the others... still sheep tho...So, slightly 'crestfallen' at the sudden loss of an ally that won't stab me in back, I'll return to my reading...>sigh<

I don't get it.You don't think it's possible to be a moderate Muslim? A liberal Muslim?You don't think the reason that fundamentalist Muslims are so impenetrable to reason might perhaps be that they have such shitty schools?If you can follow Jesus without being a zombie, what makes you think that you can't pray to Allah without being a terrorist?[This message has been edited by crashfrog, 03-21-2004]

I was in the Peace Corps and spent three years in Tanzania. I would say that roughly half the people I met were Christian, the other half Muslim. Everyone got along together well with each other, and everyone got along well with me. I didn't see much difference in attitude between the two on much. I can say that I enjoyed the company of everyone.I knew one Muslim (actually of Indian descent, rather than African) who told me that it is un-Islamic to force one's beliefs on others. Be careful: the few extremists who happen to get themselves in the news are not necessarily typical of the whole religion. This also goes for Christians, as well as Muslims.

I guess I know that. But my last question was a little misleading. I've reworded it.

Ooh! Sorry! That wasn't directed at you, Crashfrog, but at V-bird.V-bird, welcome to EvC forum.To repeat Crashfrog's point, let me remind you that the winner of last year's Nobel Peace Prize is Shirim Ebadi: Just like Christianity, Judaism, and other faiths, Islam includes a great many different viewpoints, some unpleasantly totalitarian, some violent, but others peaceful, reformist, and respectful of the rights of others.[This message has been edited by Chiroptera, 03-21-2004]

CF and CaNo.They are merely 'sleepers'.

Hi, V-Bird! Welcome!I just wanted to let you know about the little reply button that appears with some other links at the bottom of each message. If you want to reply to a specific message, use the little reply button directly beneath that message. This will create links in both directions between your reply and the original message.When you want to address a reply generally and to no one in particular, then use one of the big REPLY buttons that appear at the top and bottom of message pages.--Percy

Hi there, V-Bird,Welcome to the board. I happen to be one who practise Islam that you say you were against.Just to let you know, I'll be glad to discuss or even cross swords with you. I hope that dialogue can wipe off that hatred of yours.Peace to you.

I don't understand. Are you saying that every Muslim is a terrorist waiting to happen?What evidence would you accept that would disprove that? What evidence could be presented to you that a given Muslim is not now, nor ever will be a terrorist?