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goodbum
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Message 1 of 36 (91288)
03-08-2004 11:41 PM


this is from romans 8 19-23 this is the start
19The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. 20For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21that[9] the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
22We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.

ok so now that is out of the way. my question is that the possibility that things errode quicker in an area of more sin than others? like what would happen if we had one thing (a piece of wood, etc.) carbon 14 it and they were the same now send one to Amsterdam, Holland in a homosexual whore house. and the other to a church that was in deep faith with GOD not to be confused with religion. were the attributes of the original church were seen. ok now send them there not to be touched sealed for a period of 5 or so years bring them back and carbon 14 them again and see what the difference is. if there is a gap then sin is proven and must be acounted for in the dating process if not then sin is either a:not realy there or b: does not affect the carbon 14 dating process. well there you go. my big idea. oh yeah hey praise GOD.


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Message 2 of 36 (91290)
03-09-2004 12:09 AM


Not at all like kendemyer's IP number
To the longer time members - The answer to your question is in the subtitle.

Goodbum - If the above puzzles you, you might want to looks at some of the kendemyer started topics.

To the other members - Restraint now PLEASE.

Adminnemooseus

Note: Edit done for real reason, not for intent at humor.

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Message 3 of 36 (91295)
03-09-2004 12:52 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Adminnemooseus
03-09-2004 12:09 AM


An interesting experiment
Hey Moosem I'm not going to jump on him/her to fast. This is at least a reasonable objective experiment.

However, Godbum, it is not necessary to wait the 5 years. It should be possible to find wood from an independently dated whore house and church. We could, for example, do a tree ring comparison on the timbers and corroborate this with the historical dates of construction of the buildings.

Since this may allow for much longer than 5 years, in fact probably centuries could be found we would have a larger degree of certainty in the result.

Now, since many things have been dated from lots of sites both close to sin and not this experiment has effectively already been done.

All you need to do is a literature search of the dating of archeological finds and see if there is any correlation of discrepancies of dates. Also I'm sure you can imagine the impact that this would have if you got something other than a null result. It would be a major wow! indeed and organizations like AIG and ICR would be all over it.

Why don't you suggest they find the very few thousand dollars it would take to conduct your experiment?

In the meantime I'm prepared to wager a fair amount of money on the outcome -- are you?


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wj
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Message 4 of 36 (91298)
03-09-2004 1:18 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by goodbum
03-08-2004 11:41 PM


Does the denomination of the church matter? Would a catholic church date the same as a protestant church or a homosexual whore house? Would homosexual and heterosexual whorehouses date to the same age?

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J
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Message 5 of 36 (94273)
03-23-2004 10:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by goodbum
03-08-2004 11:41 PM


I only need one more piece to get my time machine working so we can do this......

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Message 6 of 36 (94322)
03-24-2004 1:27 AM
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03-09-2004 12:52 AM


Re: An interesting experiment
I would go further and suggest that it would be possible to find such structures that were built at the same time from the same lumber sources so that wood from the same tree could be found in the structures.

Places to look would be "instant" towns where a large population moved in suddenly, built extensively and continues to this day. Perhaps WW2 Military bases (there would be a high demand for both "activities" as well).

Of course you would also have to screen for sinful behavior within the church.

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Message 7 of 36 (94347)
03-24-2004 3:04 AM
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03-24-2004 1:27 AM


Re: An interesting experiment
What about other religions beside Christian churches? If you date a piece of, say, an Islamic mosque, and it turns out the C-14 hasn't decayed as much as the church and whorehouse C-14, does that mean that God is on the Muslims' side?

What about Jewish temples, or Shinto shrines, or Buddhist temples? You could also date artifacts from religions that are mostly extinct, like stuff from Greek or ancient Egyptian temples. And I don't know anything about Wiccanism, but you could carbon date some of their stuff too.


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Message 8 of 36 (94384)
03-24-2004 8:13 AM
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03-24-2004 3:04 AM


Re: An interesting experiment
That would be another advantage of the military base town study -- it would have variety of churches and jewish temple (doubt mosque of same age though, or any formal structure for native beliefs -- too few?)

In fact you should be able to do a study on the whole town and order all the structures by "sin content" if the initial concept is correct.

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Message 9 of 36 (94385)
03-24-2004 8:17 AM


Isn't there a lower limit on the age that carbon dating can return? You might find yourself restricted to buildings of significant age, like Civil War forts or something.

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Message 10 of 36 (94398)
03-24-2004 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by crashfrog
03-24-2004 8:17 AM


awww I wasn't going to cloud the issue.

Technically no there isn't, but obviously if you have a date near the limit of accuracy (ie say it is +/- 50 years) then you will have indeterminate results.

Using a WW2 base though you could be able to determine the age of the wood with direct historical documents (bills of sale, back to lumberyard inventory) to find actual ages

The concept here is to use C-14 to find apparent age that differs from actual age.

Civil War would be good, as "wood" the War of Independence (I used to rent a house that was originally a barracks ... for the british ... )


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Message 11 of 36 (94409)
03-24-2004 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by crashfrog
03-24-2004 8:17 AM


Dating stuff after WWII is iffy because of the effect of atmospheric nuclear tests.

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Message 12 of 36 (94449)
03-24-2004 1:22 PM
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03-24-2004 10:44 AM


corrections for atmosphere content
Certainly, if it is not corrected for the actual atmospheric content of C-14 (as opposed to the theoretical), then it will give false data. This is similar to the creatortionista use of "erroneous" shellfish dates due to a "resevoir effect" of C-14 available.

see http://www.c14dating.com/corr.html which discusses both resevoir and A-bomb effects.

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Message 13 of 36 (94528)
03-24-2004 5:35 PM
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The TRUTH about C14
Dating stuff after WWII is iffy because of the effect of atmospheric nuclear tests.

This is evolutionary atheistic propaganda spread to conceal the TRUTH. The TRUTH is that the rise in C14 since WW2 is in fact evidence of the flood of sin throughout the world since that date. Witness the spread of communism in eastern Europe and Asia. Witness the spread of evolutionism across the world. Witness the baby boom and the sexual revolution.

The TRUTH of the increase in sin and the increase in C14 is evident to all except those who deliberately choose to ignore the facts and deny their godsense. And science proves it.


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Message 14 of 36 (94573)
03-24-2004 7:30 PM
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Re: The TRUTH about C14
ahahahahahaaaa

cute

{{say, are those 'roos "doinit" ??? }}

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iLLmatic
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Message 15 of 36 (94588)
03-24-2004 8:15 PM


"ok so now that is out of the way. my question is that the possibility that things errode quicker in an area of more sin than others? like what would happen if we had one thing (a piece of wood, etc.) carbon 14 it and they were the same now send one to Amsterdam, Holland in a homosexual whore house. and the other to a church that was in deep faith with GOD not to be confused with religion."

Now this has got to be the dumbest thing is have ever heard in my entire life. I think you need to grow a brain and think about things before you say them. Everyone who reads what you say gets dumber just by glancing. My IQ has just dropped 10 points because of your dumb theory. Do me a favor buddy keep your comments to yourself for all of our own safety. Thank you.

iLLmatic


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