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I'm trying: a stairway to heaven?

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iano
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Message 1 of 4 (255031)
10-27-2005 7:12 AM

As far as I can make out the only form of words Jesus used regarding laws (in relation to our adhering to them) was or can only be implied to be, command form. Some examples:
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"Judge not lest you be judged"
"Love your enemy"
"Love God with all your heart soul and mind"
"Love your neighbour as yourself"
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If Jesus said "do a,b,c in order to be saved" and not "try your best to do a,b,c, in order to be saved", what is the biblical basis for the idea that salvation/damnation is a function of our trying / not trying enough to do a,b,c.
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I stress 'biblical basis' because what I have heard thus far seems to be result of peoples own ideas as to what Jesus must have meant, ie: people apply their own subjective logic to fill the biblical gaps in making their case for salvation/damnation by works.
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This message has been edited by iano, 27-Oct-2005 03:36 PM
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10-27-2005 10:27 AM 		Reply to: Message 1 by iano
10-27-2005 7:12 AM

Where to put?
I'm not up on the Biblical threads.
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Where should this go?
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I think you could make your point a bit more clearly too.
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Are you trying to say:
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"Jesus did not say "try" to do one thing or another. He said "do" it. If that is the case what does trying and failing say about our salvation? "
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Is that it? You could edit that into your OP if so.
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iano
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10-27-2005 10:39 AM 		Reply to: Message 2 by AdminNosy
10-27-2005 10:27 AM

Re: Where to put?
Hi AdminNosy,
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Tidied a little to clarify but anybody with a view is going to know what it's about, I reckon.
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A suitable location would be Faith & Belief (for want of a Heresy forum )
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Ian
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10-28-2005 9:09 AM

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