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Author | Topic: Is God All Loving? Does the bible support Inclusion (Universalism)? | |||||||||||||||||||||||
soljafolife Inactive Junior Member |
Hi all! I'm new to this particular forum, but I've been reading your comment's, and I've also made a few, and no one has given me a real reason to stop believing that God is not going to save everyone, eventually. Yes, I said it, which would also imply that we humans do not have "free will". By the way, I am a christian.
I've posted a message on a few threads, and I'll put it on here as well, just so you know where I'm coming from. Remember, I'm only looking for the truth, so if you have it, or think that you do, please share. Here's what I've been posting on other threads: About this "free-will" discussion: There are too many Keep in mind that I'm a christian, lol(seriously!). People always say that "God will never force himself on This is a message I wrote to a friend, not specifically about Anyway, so you know, I believe that eventually, God shall recieve the Listen, God can`t fail, and to fail literally means to "miss the
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AdminBrian Inactive Member |
HI Solja,
What seems to be the problem Solja, is there any particular reason why your are opening the same thread in different forums? AdminBrian.
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soljafolife Inactive Junior Member |
Oh, I'm sorry, I can't do that? I'm new, if I'm not supposed to do that, I'll take them down, sorry.
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AdminBrian Inactive Member |
HI,
It is no problem, I thought perhaps you were having difficulties. If you could decided which forum you would like to keep your topic in, I suggest this one, and delete the others I would very much appreciate it. Thankyou very much for your help, if you have any further questions I would be happy to assist. AdminBrian.
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soljafolife Inactive Junior Member |
I've already deleted the other ones, thanks man!
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soljafolife Inactive Junior Member |
Ok, lol, little bit of a problem, I thought I deleted them, but I didn't. I obviously don't know how. How do I do it? (faith and belief, evolution).
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AdminBrian Inactive Member |
It is ok, I will close the faith and belief one and the other admins will deal with their own forums.
Thanks again for you help here. AdminBrian
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soljafolife Inactive Junior Member |
Thanks
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soljafolife Inactive Junior Member |
How do I get all these messages off my thread, the delete button isn't working, I'm trying to get the ones of you, and me talking off of it?
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Newborn Inactive Member |
Here is my opinion:
First,God gives us an OPORTUNITY. In that oportunity he proposes many EVENTS to us (QUANTUM STATES). In our HEARTS(SOUL) we CHOICE an ATTITUDE. God looks at the attitude and dependant of the attitude he decides what event our body will pass through(and the additional spiritual bless to give us).That´s all. The capital letters words are the Keywords. What is an opportunity? I will explain with an example. Suppose that you are sleeping.You then don´t have free will have you? But sometimes when you are awaked you have.That interval of time is named an opportunity and is given by God.You only can have a choice in an opportunity. I think you know the meaning of the other words.If don´t, reply.
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soljafolife Inactive Junior Member |
I see what your saying Newborn, but the Bible specifically speaks of Predestination (Eph.1:5,11). The translation of "predestination" from the greek means "to be limited in advance". We can say what we want about choice, but our choices have already been chosen. It's all apart of the plan. Every choice you make is apart of the plan. Even the choices that we think that we're making contrary to the plan are all apart of the plan, because God is All powerful, and because of that, No One Can Resist His Will (Rom.9:23).
And, if predestinated, then there's nothing we can do about it. Even the unbelievers, for they're choices too have been declared from the foundation of the earth (1Pet.2:4; Jude.4; Heb.4:3). Meaning also, that we don't have anything to do with it, so if that's the case, then that means that God has to take totally resposibility, for how else can he recieve All the glory, unless he was totally responsible; For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth (Rom.9:11). He is All powerful. And, since God hath concluded All in unbelief, he shall have mercy upon the EXACT SAME ALL (Rom.11:32). Peace and Love!
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Newborn Inactive Member |
But the Devil is predestined to go to Hell.Don´t it mades God unfair?
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soljafolife Inactive Junior Member |
Not necessarily, because we understand that before the foundation of this world, God was, and so were His angels. We understand by reading that prophets that Lucifer was at one time, as my friends would put it, cool. He was just chillin, flying around praising God, then he fell, or got dropped, as my friends would put it. Now, if we can understand that (and I know I'll lose people on this), then we should be able to understand that eventually, God will restore All, including Satan, because "The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us" (Eccl.1:9,10).
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Smitty500 Inactive Member |
You can say predestination has already made our choices for us or look at it this way. Which in my opinion makes more sense.This is just an illustration Imagine you are God and can travel forward and backward in time. Now you go to the time when the book is written(the Book of LIfe) then you go back to the time when you left. Now God knows the names of people who will be in hell and those who will be in heaven. He hasn't made any choices just taken a "sneak peak". Every person has many choices to make but this one is the most important one anyone will ever make.
God definately has a plan but if you feel God calling on your heart than accept him at face value. I don't think he won't accept you because it wasn't part of his plan. If you don't accept him for your whole life than obviously it was part of his plan. And yes are choices are made by God for us but hey it's part of a Great plan. Now to say that everyone will be restored contradicts the bible in many places. Here is one example. John 5:29 "and come out-- those who have odne good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned." Condemned to be restored? no. JOhn 5:40 "Yet you refuse to come to me to have life" This shows two things, one that we have a choice and two that there is eternal life and there is an eternal death. One cannot assume that he is talking about physical life, most of the apostles were martyred and the bible would speak about their resurrection in the flesh if it were so. To think that Satan will be restored is also not biblical look at Revelation chapter 20. The one section of the chapter is titled Satan's Doom 20:10 And the devil, who decieved them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Thanx [This message has been edited by Smitty500, 02-13-2004]
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kendemyer Inactive Member |
Here is why Universalism is not Biblically supported:
Matthew 26:24 "The Son of Man goes, as it is written of Him, but woe to that man through whom the Son of Man is betrayed. It would be good for that man if he had not been born." "But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death." (Rev. 21:8) Sincerely, Ken
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