islam

a discussion of theology and opinions in response to the claims of pecos george that people from countries around the world are merely murderers and not even members of a religion.let us begin from the beginning.
"allah is god and muhammed is his prophet"allah is merely the arabic word for god--a title, not a name. the ummayyad believe that god is the only god, that he is one and singular and that muhammed recieved the final revelation from him. they view jesus as a prophet and refer to jews and christians as "brothers of the book" but believe that they have misappropriated monotheism.this discussion may lead into a discussion of the different varieties of islam (sunni, shi'a, more specific groups like wahabbism, islamic mysticism, etc), but should be done so respectfully (i grant exception to specific disrespectful, hateful sould like pecos george... i want him to express his foolishness).definition of terms can be found here http://www.islam101.com/selections/GLOSSARY0.html

Thread moved here from the Proposed New Topics forum.I'm putting this in F&A not the FFA so please take brennakimi's suggestion of keeping it civil. I HOPE that even those terribly opposed to the idea of Islam can keep their disapproval at a relatively civil scale.This message has been edited by AdminAsgara, 07-28-2004 02:12 PM

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I have University of Washington TV (UWTV) on my satellite system and caught a wonderful 1 hour segment on Islam. From their website it appears that all or at least a portion of it can be viewed online: Page not found | UW Video Anyone who, like me, is a novice when it comes to Islam and is interested in the subject should really enjoy it.Sorry for not adding anything to start the discussion, I only wanted to give another link for those who wanted to learn more about Islam and it's heritage.thanx
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thanks actually. if there's one thing we need it is more information.

This helped me understand the mindset of a Jihadi when you take into account their early history in much the same way as the old testament conquests allow insights into the modern zioinist mindsetA Concise History of Islam and the ArabsIntroduction - This page provides an overview of the history of the Islam and the Arabs, which is a great part of the history of the Middle East. The subject covers more than twelve centuries, about a dozen empires and a vast territory, stretching from Spain in the west to the islands of Indonesia in the Pacific Ocean. It is impossible to provide a comprehensive treatment of the history of Islam in a brief space. However, I have attempted to present here, and in related pages that are linked or planned, a concise (relatively) treatment of the essential facts that everyone should know about Islam, the Arabs and the Middle East. Islam arose in the Arabian peninsula, and its history and rites are connected with it. This history is meant to be read in conjunction with the complementary article about the history of Arabia... No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.mideastweb.org/islamhistory.htm

I will be honest from the outset. Evolution vs. Creationism is not my schtick. I am a Creationist and a Christian, but lack both scientific and theological background required to debate that topic successfully.My presence here results from a request from another poster on Netscape's U.S.A. and the War on Terror board. The requestor and I frequently disagree and have exchanged some flames. I was asked to share my knowledge, and I will make a sincere effort to do just that. In my signature, I have listed urls for several important resources. [i]The Prophet of Doom[i] is a 1000 page book (25 ch + appendices on the web) which synthesizes Islamic History, biography & Hadith to provide the context and chronology lacking in the Qur`an. It includes an extremely useful topical quotes section that will make your eyeballs counter rotate. Unfortunately, it is all verifiable. It checks out. Jihad: the Doctrine of Perpetual Warfare is a much shorter ebook. If you are short on time & patience, read it first. I have linked to three Suras of the Qur`an and the Jihad & Booth Hadiths from Bukhari's collection. The site which hosts Bukhari also has 4 other hadith collections and a three translations of the Qur`an in paralell. Find the TOC link at the bottom of either Hadith page.There are many other useful resources. If you want a partial list, request it by email. Now down to the nitty gritty!!* Allah is not the Arabic word for God. The Arabic generic term for deity is Illah. Allah is the proper name of a black rock enshrined in one wall of the Kaaba. Allah is an ancient Arab moon deity.*Islam is not purely monotheistic. It practiced serial polytheism. In the beginning, it named another diety. This info comes from POD, linked in my signature. :
Qur’an 67:28 Say: ‘He is Ar-Rahman; in Him we believed, and in Him we have placed our trust: Soon will you know which one of us is in manifest error.’
Qur’an 67:20 Who is he that will send an army to assist you besides Ar-Rahman? The unbelievers are lost in delusion.
Qur’an 55:1 Ar-Rahman bestowed the Qur’an. He created man. He has taught man eloquent speech (and intelligence). The sun and moon are made punctual, following courses, they revolve to a computation.This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 07-31-2004 01:32 PM

Sunnah. Ok, I botched it. I was looking for Fordham's Midieval Sourcebook and got the wrong bookmark. This subject is fairly short and sour. It will open some eyes and close other minds. But it contains a link to the Fordham sight where you will find enough links to last you a lifetime.

I searched in vain for the origional pecos george post. I searched for partial name/case insensitive on the terms: Islam murder and one other word I fail to recall. I am used to a search which is much less functional!!! Did I botch the search, or has that post been vaporized?

it's in a thread about mormons... lemme find it...http://EvC Forum: Mormons -->EvC Forum: Mormons is the one in which he attacks muhammed. he follows with several other vitriolic claims saying (at the end) his information comes from a biography called 'sealed nectar'. i don't know anythig about this book. i wish he'd link to a source instead of touting information that cannot be traced.the information i proposed in the opener is simply that which is purported by the adherents.

Thanks for the link!!! I plan to check it right after posting this reply.If memory serves correctly, the last link in my signature line goes to the Sealed Nectar. Be warned that what they call 'page' is more like a chapter!! See page 7 for the early battles; page 13 for the extortion letters & expeditions. Unfortunately I do not have a bookmark for the photograph of Allah. It is in there somewhere, just keep flippin pages!!!This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 07-31-2004 01:32 PM

I am not presently able to determine whether I followed the entire thread or not.I did, however, receive one surprise:

1.Islam is not a religion; it is a continuing criminal enterprise. Neither is it peaceful. Its chief canonical book: the Qur`an has three Suras (8,9 & 48) which are fully dedicated & devoted to the sanctification and mandate of Jihad.
2.Democracy involves equality before the law. Islam involves Dhimmitude: conquered Jews & Christians are considered sub-human; denied social & legal equality. They are not permitted to pray in public, construct or maintain churches or synagogues,
own or ride horses, own or carry weapons, hold government office or testify in court against Muslims who injure them.
Democracy involves government of laws, not men. Islam considers man made legislation to be blasphemy.
3.The above mentioned Dhimmitude says it all, except that Dhimmitude also includes an annual 50% income tax and that Dhimis are subject to persecution and murder at the whim of the Caliph.The above quoted msg. contains statements which I authored. If Netscape's message search function was functional and their server was not bogged down, I would tell you how to prove it. Needless to say, I can now have some fun with a certain poster!!!Substantiation for most of the above msg. can be found in POD. You allso need to add in the left sidebar of Jihad Watch.The charge of pedophilia is slightly misleading. Umar was Muhammad's cousin. Umar had a six year old daughter named aisha, who Muhammad 'took a shine to'. Umar was not hot on it, but Muhammad wanted her, and he got her. But he did not consummate the marriage until she was 9. Please, before calling me a liar, go to USC and search for Aisha. You will get hundreds of hits, just take them one at a time until you hit pay dirt. I do not remember which ahadith it is in.This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 07-31-2004 01:33 PM

Are you fluent in arabic ???I for one am suspicious of your purpose here and of the points you are trying to make. You appear to reference POD as though it were the definitive source for the study of Quaranic lore ??? On first glance it appears to be a reactionary site to substantiate the already biased views of the author and further divide the christian and islamic faiths rather than unite them under the one God with shared prophets.5 posts in and it would seem you are itching for a flaming yet unwilling to turn the heat up for starters. If you have something to say about Islam spit it out lest you choke on it...As a christian creationist who lacks the background to debate that subject successfully and with that in mind i wonder what it is you wish to draw debate on in this thread and how you plan to give creedence for any points you wish to make regarding another faith.Could you also inform me of when you are presently able to determine whether you followed the entire thread or not as i wouldn't wish to confuse you in regards to following this thread.BTW I haven't got time to play guessing games and have better things to do than sift thru hits regarding paedohilia by anyone.cheers

well actually. 9 would only be pedophilia by our standards. a woman is marriable in most cultures as soon as she hits puberty. puberty in females can start as early as 8.but nonetheless. interesting.but yeah. calling a 1500 year old religion based on two other big religions merely a criminal enterprise is a bit harsh and needs to backed up. besides. you don't know every muslim in the world. that statement is wrong in at least a few cases and i know it second hand. if anyone follows this belief structure as a religion, then that statement is wrong. and i know many who do. i have family who does. you cannot apply the theology of specific sects to the whole religion. just like not all christians are yecs.

Some entires on the POD site are clearly absurd. It says for example:

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Islam rises and falls on Muhammad. He is the doctrine’s sole prophet, its lone founder, its god’s singular conduit.

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And yet, as has already been pointed out, this is not facually true. Islam specifically does recognise other prophets.

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He was a pirate, not a prophet. According to the Hadith and the Qur’an, Muhammad and his henchmen plundered their way to power and prosperity

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... like Joshua.

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... and that a god who is principally vengeful, forgetful, contradictory, and irrational might not be a god after all.

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Whic of course applies exactly to the god of christians.This website is basically a racist rant, and probably constitutes libellous hate-speech.

Deny that the terrorist group Hamas receives its instructions - to annihilate all Jews - from the Koran where all Muslims go for guidance.Google the charter of the hamas.
THE CHARTER OF THE HAMASTHE CHARTER OF ALLAH:THE PLATFORM OF THE ISLAMIC RESISTANCE MOVEMENT (HAMAS)In the Name of Allah, the Merciful, the CompassionateYou are the best community that has been raised up for mankind.Ye enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency; and ye believe in Allah. And if the People
of the Scripture had believed, it had been better for them. Some of them are believers but most of them are evil-doers.They will not harm you save a trifling hurt, and if they fight against you they will turn and flee. And afterward they will not be helped.Ignominy shall be their portion wheresoever they are found save [where they grasp] a rope from Allah and a rope from man. They have incurred anger from their Lord, and wretchedness is laid upon them. That is because they used to disbelieve the revelations of Allah, and slew the Prophets wrongfully. That is because they were rebellious and used to transgress. Surat Al-Imran (III), verses 109-111Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors.The Islamic World is burning. It is incumbent upon each one of us to pour some water, little as it may be, with a view of extinguishing as much of the fire as he can, without awaiting action by the others.

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