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kuresu
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Message 1 of 2 (382591)
02-05-2007 11:19 AM


Oh sacred cow of evolution. I am sorry for disrespecting you. Please forgive me.
You are absolute oh Gog. Your priests will endure forever. Their great faith and extrapolating imaginations are higher than mine. Who am I to question the smartest people on earth?
It's just a's and g's, c's, and t's. It's not complicated. abiogenesis is the mother of life. Queen of the universe. An accident waiting to happen that did.
All there is is matter...
Oh great material force. Give me my way. lead me into the understanding that understanding is just a random variation within my kind. What's true for you is lie to me (except evolution... no compromise there) my apologies again.
Just give me the apple and let me be. I want to suck the pandas thumb.
and you know, w/o natural selection, you can't have evolution. sorry rob, but that's the way it is.
I do know Kuresu... And I understand. How complex of a creature do you need before a self replicating cycle is established?
And I do not mean what scientists can imagine (faith/ extrapolate)... I mean show me the simplest living cell available in the fossil record or that is currently alive. I want verification and evidence. That's what they keep telling me science is. Then explain to me how it arose by the process of abiogenesis.
No imagination necessary. Evolution makes sense because we imagine that life started out simple. Turns out not to be the case.
Genetic information cannot be reproduced without cell structures (oganelles). And it has to be produced in the first place before it can be reproduced. And the specifics of the genetic information just so happen to have all of the instructions for the building of those organelles.
Have I offended you and your elitist brethren? The smartest people on earth? Perhaps a man of higher learning is more credible to you than a stupid truck driver?
Phillip Johnson - author ”Darwin on trial’ / Professor of law (emeritus) University of California at Berkeley-
“With Darwinian evolution, we’re dealing with something that is much more than a scientific theory; it’s a creation story. In fact, it’s the creation myth of our culture. Every culture has a creation myth, which tells the people where they came from, what is ultimately ”real’, and how they relate to that, and where they should get their knowledge- their information from.
Every culture has a priesthood that has custody of this creation story and that gives that knowledge. In our culture, the priesthood is not the clergy or the ministers in church, it’s the intellectual class, and especially the scientists."
You can still believe in evolution and abiogenesis. Just use your imagination Kuresu!
Jeremiah 7:24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.
just thought I'd copy this whole off-topic gem. instead of bringing "Is Science a Religion?" thread further off-topic, I'm bringing it here.
basically, the topic is abiogenesis, and fixing Rob's misconceptions of just what is required for DNA to come about and replicate.
I don't know much about the topic--my area of knowledge in biology is in evolution--which is only concerned with what happens after we have life. What I do know, is that Rob is mistaken in his statement that
Genetic information cannot be reproduced without cell structures (oganelles
What I'd like to see, I guess, is a compilation of current abiogenesis information--what we do know about DNA replication and creation.
The topics of science being a religion, or evolution being our modern "creation myth", are not the topic. i'm warning everyone now--talk about those two (or any other off-topic junk), and I will ask for a suspension.

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Message 2 of 2 (382595)
02-05-2007 11:27 AM


Thread copied to the Abiogenesis thread in the Origin of Life forum, this copy of the thread has been closed.

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