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Author Topic:   Stuart Kauffman's works
Andya Primanda
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Message 1 of 6 (18406)
09-27-2002 5:21 AM


I am interested in learning more about Stuart Kauffman's pursuits on the complexity front. He's written like 3 books or so, and I only have cash to get one. Which one should I tackle? Investigations? or Origins of Order?

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Brad McFall
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Message 2 of 6 (18451)
09-27-2002 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Andya Primanda
09-27-2002 5:21 AM


I have purchased AT HOME IN THE UNIVERSE and have noted my use of the concept of perversions on parge 152 but I do not have an opnion on the collection of his works.

Stu should be recommended as one who is aware of the multiple chem realities that biology exists in and as such is preferable to follow when it comes to writing about dissipative functionality of biology.

He actually encourged me to CONTINUE to personally speculate about the relevance (if any) of actual infinity(CANTOR) to biology.

THE INTEREESTING THING IS THAT HE TOLD ME HE SIMPLY KNEW HE COULD DO A BETTER JOG THAN DYSON AND THAT IS HOW AND WHY HE DID SOME WORK in Freeman's domain. I set out then to find what area I wanted to work in but no one seems to be listening to the fibinocci spiral as NOT the genetic sprial (Croizat) pointed out rather than either of the above named.


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Andya Primanda
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Message 3 of 6 (18520)
09-29-2002 3:19 AM
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09-27-2002 4:50 PM


Okay, so I assume that you: 1)had read At Home in The Universe; 2)met Stuart Kauffman in person?

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Tranquility Base
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Message 4 of 6 (18560)
09-30-2002 1:23 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Andya Primanda
09-29-2002 3:19 AM


^ Kaufmann and Nash probably chat all the time Andya.

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Brad McFall
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Message 5 of 6 (18597)
09-30-2002 11:32 AM
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09-29-2002 3:19 AM


I started to read the book when I was trying to figure out how to give the Darwinian solution to another book by a one, GLASYSHEV on Macrothermodynamics that asked a Western Scientist (I suppose) to reply and I spent some time in the begining of this year posting on a weekly basis this investiation which came rather startingly to the conclusion about nano-techonolgy you can find isolated in my posts tabled around this board. Not all of that reading is available here to your CGI browser.

Yes, I met Stu but more significantly was the paper Simon Levin and he co-authored in the end of the 80s that only came with subsequent work to the conclusion that only numerical techniques would assist in trying to get *any* homogeneity out of the mutiple heterogenous environments Stu recognizes. I do not have a large budget or PRICETON Univ. to support my own dynamical investigations and as the "mutation" mentioned in this THEORETICAL BIOLOGY article from (1988?7??) was not the one that was said to be "unkown" in the Genetics 281 class T A U G H T at Cornell I left the bath water to Mr. Kaufmann who said he would not be a philosopher because he did not see how to respond to Kant and any populution so thought (with Fisher or Wright) as for any of the emprics and retreated to ROUND ISLAND with Darlington to investigate the egg eating snake on the continent for any constriction in the reading material involved.

There is much work to be done in Chemistry but that too involves a budget. Regardless, I wish some body else would undertand what you meant about reproduction.

Contrarily there is still much linguistic work to be done in English with the concepts used in biology to make them palatable to any scientist as my interaction subsequent to contacting ICR with J. Grehan of NZ turned in to be.


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MrHambre
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Message 6 of 6 (44460)
06-27-2003 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Andya Primanda
09-27-2002 5:21 AM


At Home or Thereabouts in the Universe
I'm fascinated by Kauffman's work, and I highly recommend 'At Home in the Universe.' No less an authority than Behe has criticized Kauffman's work as 'fact-free science,' and he should talk. Truth be told, recent research has provided evidence for autocatalysis. No word yet on Intelligent Design.

I think self-organizational principles will be the key to future origin-of-life investigation, and Kauffman's work is a testament to a truly pioneering perspective.


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