Today is the day! (Dutchies look inside)

Today is the day that 6 million Dutch households are supposed to get a leaflet from a creationist organisation in The Netherlands.What Leaflet? This one: http://www.creatie.info/books/bookid/3 (all in Dutch)In this leaflet full of errors (of course) they try to attempt to talk people into rejecting evolution.If any Dutchies are reading this, and they don't like the leaflet, consider sending it back to its creator.See here for details: http://www.terugnaarjemaker.nl (also all in Dutch)I hope you all enjoy (or not) this leaflet, and if you don't you know what to do.

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I hunt for the truthWhat you can do in my country and get away with:Softdrugs? Legal!
Legal drinking age? 16!
Birth control (the pill)? Free!
Gay marriage? Legal!
Abortion? Legal!
Euthanasia? Legal!
Age of consent? 16 (14 if you have the parents permission)!Yep, only one way down for us!

The reason the vast majority of folk believe in ToE arises out of their having been fed on a diet containing nothing but ToE - from the time they were "kleuters". Correctness (or not) of the theory aside, their belief in ToE is the product of brainwashing - not evaluation.What difference if some came to believe in Creationism via the same process? I'd imagine the leaflet to have evolved

Permit me to reitterate what you just said.The reason the vast majority of folk believe in god arises out of their having been fed on a diet containing nothing but god - from the time they were "kleuters". Correctness (or not) of the religion aside, their belief in god is the product of brainwashing - not evaluation.

No it hasn't. It's just the same tired old crap that they've been slinging for 40 years.

Would you consider the general public acceptance of the ideas underlying science in general to be the result of "brainwashing" too? If so, do you attach a negative connotation to the word, and why? Do you think their conclusions would be different if they evaluated ToE? Do you see the evidence supporting creationism as equivalent to that supporting the ToE?Capt.

Permission granted ...and altered reiteration agreed with.Edited by iano, : No reason given.Edited by iano, : No reason given.

Too? I wouldn't see ToE as an idea underlying science. Better said that it's an idea which stretches the ideas underlying science. One idea underlying science is repeatable experimentation. That's not something underlying ToE. At least not without a stretch..- Brainwashing is a neutral term in my view. It's a mode whereby an idea is taught and that idea can be a good thing or a bad thing. I think that brainwashing people to believe in God or believe in naturalistic Evolution is a bad thing. Hell will be filled with folk of both camps. I reckon..- I think most would get lost long before they could/should arrive at a conclusion. The science that says yea or nay is pretty complex. I think the fair, safe conclusion - for the majority - would be agnosticism. Its not so much that they can't know - it's that they haven't got the time/ability to find out.- Not at all. At least not according to the current framework called "evidence - and how it is evaluated". I'm inclined to see the lay of the land as being reflected well by the linked image. The same evidence can be viewed in two completely different ways depending upon the lens (analogous to methodology) you employ. Young girl or Old hag

40 years is nothing in evolution terms dw1. You should know that..Spreek jij Nederlandse?! Als niet dan hoe...??Edited by iano, : No reason given.Edited by iano, : No reason given.Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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One idea underlying science is repeatable experimentation.

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That's an important part of science, but certainly not the sine qua non. If it were, astronomy wouldn't be a science, nor would most of geology. Of perhaps you don't think those things are sciences.....

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For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

Can you elaborate on that? Why do you think the theory of evolution is not amenable to repeatable experimentation?

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"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.