Ray's Boycott

I know ray is suspended, but at least he can read this and maybe he can reply in the future. There was no rant and no loss of composure. We are friends and that is why I am trying to get you to stop this silly boycott. You should not let other people’s behaviour determine your behaviour, you should concentrate on yourself and how people view your character.So what if two members were suspended for alleged lying, the suspensions were only temporary. It has nothing to do with anyone else except the members themselves and the admin team. I intentionally wrote things to try and waken you up out of your pointless stance.Look at what I said and then think about this.Now, I trust you 100 %, I know your heart is in the right place and that you do your best to research the subjects that you post.However, what I posted was to show you how other people may perceive your actions. It may look to them as if you are looking for an excuse to run away since you have been promising this science paper for a while now. I understand that it is difficult to stick to a deadline and that often unforeseen events can delay the conclusion of a paper. But there are people who will see this boycott over absolutely nothing as an easy way of having to present a paper that is not of a decent enough standard. I would rather you came back to discuss archaeology, the old testament and ancient near eastern history, apart from Jar and Arach, there’s hardly anyone else interested.So, drop the boycott, drop Percy a line to be reinstated and stop letting the actions of others determine your behaviour.At the end of the day Ray, all it takes is for the two members to drop Percy a line and they are back in, hardly worth getting upset about.Brian.

But I will allow it to continue as long as this "friendly advice to Ray" thread does not in any way become negative.So to add in my 2 cents worth:Ray, communication is a precious and useful tool. Each and every one of us have different beliefs and reasons for these beliefs. It matters not so much whether we can convince each other of the validity or "proof" of our beliefs so much as it matters that we are all concerned about being civil to one another.Seemingly, Brian has a good point.I disagree with Brian on a lot of things, many of which I cannot logically win an argument with him on....but I do not let our different philosophies and theologies stand in the way of our civil and valuable online relationship as peers at EvC.Ray, you have been around here a long time. I have never been persuaded by many of your points, nor you probably of mine...But I am more than happy that you are a member of EvC and I hope that you humble yourself to the administrators and come back!For Brians sake....so he can have a debating partner again!

Just for clarification, moderators are not looking for anyone to humble himself, just a sincere indication that the Forum Guidelines are understood and will be followed.

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--	Percy
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If you read this Ray I would just like to add my support for you working out with the Admins a way to get re-instated (and better yet not suspended again afterwards!). I am interested in these subjects but don't know enough to contribute, but I have learned a lot from reading the threads discussing ideas Ray has raised and others have responded to. If for no other reason I'd like to see him come back.I also really do want to see the evo-killer paper Ray is working on, no matter how long it takes him to finish it.

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I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then

I agree, he brings up interesting things, sometimes wrong, sometimes right awww i don't count brian?

Hi mate Sorry about leaving you out it is just that we go back a long way and it is only relatively recently that you have joined in, i'll add you next time

since it's more on-topic here than the moderation thread:

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hey again ray. i know you wouldn't answer this even if you weren't suspended/involuntarily boycotting/whatever. but here it goes.

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Darwinists have "changed the truth of God" (that He is the Creator) "into a lie" that we originated from creatures "and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator."

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no one is saying that animals created mankind. and neither is anyone saying that we "originated from" animals. rather, we ARE a kind of animal.

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and if you don't believe me, read your bible. i think you'll find that genesis uses the same word for animal that does for mankind: -- living creature. this is the phrase genesis 1 uses to describe all of god's animal creations, and the phrase genesis 2 uses for us when god breathes life into adam. i think you'll also find that man and beast, ‘ often occur in tandem, parallel.

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dispute it if you like, but the bible clearly groups us together -- because we are more like animals than we are like god. make no mistake here, ray, you are not just accusing people of lying: you are accusing people of idolatry. i have no doubt that if you DO respond to this, it will be the same accusation. but this is no darwinist rant, ray. nor am i an athiest. you make such claims here, and insult people's religions. i understand the reality of evolution -- but i do not worship any created being, only the one who created them all.

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should we let you sit here in judgement? calling people liars, and idolators -- often even insulting your fellow christians? because, obviously, anyone who disagrees with you is neither christian, nor saved; but a tool of the devil.

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Imagine that....thinking you are worshipping God when in fact you are deceived by Satan and belong to him ?

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how dare you, who is saved by grace alone, make such accusations?

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If the typology is true then every established religious community in any era is exactly the same. The Fundamentalists are the established Protestant religious community today and their members are here, in this Forum, and by their silence, approving of the censorship of the Bible by our enemies, they prove, the typology is absolutely true corresponding with physical reality.

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and how dare you pervert such a sacred text, and use it as a weapon. that's the real issue here, ray. it's not that you are quoting the bible -- quote all you like. it's not that you are talking about implications. it's your judgemental, condescending, insulting, and un-christ-like attitude. it's that you are using the text disrespectfully to harm other members. you are disrespecting the text itself to use it in this manner.

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i think perhaps you should give the teachings of jesus a second thought. what would jesus think of you attempting to use his name to insult other people -- people he died for (whether they accept it or not)?

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My paper will prove it.

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we wait with baited breath, ray.

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Imagine that...a Bible verse and its application censored on an Internet debate board....the truth obviously hurts.

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what would jesus say about this whole debate? let's ask him, shall we?

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Mat 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

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Mat 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

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if you really think we're all against you, or that we don't hear or accept you, then feel free to accept jesus's message and just leave. but what we, the other christians here, don't need is for someone to cast us in a bad light -- using our texts as weapons, disregarding the teachings of our saviour that instruct us to have nothing but compassion, and love, and respect for our fellow man. jesus had the right to judge -- but we do not.

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the issue here is that you broke the rules. you insulted members, and you made accusations -- some of them false. you break not only the rules of conduct for this board, but the rules of conduct for christianity. play nice, or don't play at all. but this act neither convinces anyone that you're right, nor does it show the love of our lord and saviour to the people who need to see it.

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I suggest you do less drugs; the same will undoubtedly improve the look of your face.

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how this a christian response, ray? i'm sure you think the policies on the board are not fair, but remember. we as christians are held to a higher standard. we are to be the example, and show others christ -- through our lives, and our actions, and our words. what witness to the gospel does a response like this bare?

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http://EvC Forum: General discussion of moderation procedures: The Consequtive Consecution Sequel

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from talk.origins googlegroup: (moderators feel free to remove the language, but i have left it intact from ray's original post, regarding islamic suicide bombers)

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> Fuck You.
> Ray Martinez, Christian.

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"Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth
for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever
shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. [...]
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour,
and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them
that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which
despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of
your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the
evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even
the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye
more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore
perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."

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-- Jesus Christ.

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http://groups.google.com/...alk.origins/msg/11c3fdcd2fe5d307

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Amen, Arach

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Doctor Bashir: "Of all the stories you told me, which were true and which weren't?"
Elim Garak: "My dear Doctor, they're all true"
Doctor Bashir: "Even the lies?"
Elim Garak: "Especially the lies"

he's called me an athiest again, over at t.o. i told him that he was just showing his inability to refute, and that it was another classic enraged pyramidologist rant.they really bat him around over there, because, as he put it, there's no censorship there. it really puts a perspective on the creationist claims of bias over here -- to see the evolution side act the same way. you realize that, over here, we don't. and we COULD. but the rules apply to us, too. not just the creationists. we hold up our end of the bargain regarding civility ---- the question is: why can't the christians here do the same? if anything, shouldn't the christians be more civil? more compassionate? better behaved? nicer?

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Closing this thread. Do Not start another thread solely for the purpose of criticizing a member.

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