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Author Topic:   Archbishop says condoms are deliberately infected with HIV
Shtop
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Message 1 of 11 (424367)
09-26-2007 5:30 PM


The head of the Catholic Church in Mozambique has told the BBC he believes some European-made condoms are infected with HIV deliberately.

Maputo Archbishop Francisco Chimoio claimed some anti-retroviral drugs were also infected "in order to finish quickly the African people".

The Catholic Church formally opposes any use of condoms, advising fidelity within marriage or sexual abstinence.

Aids activists have been angered by the remarks, one calling them "nonsense".

(snip)

Archbishop Chimoio told our reporter that abstention, not condoms, was the best way to fight HIV/Aids.

"Condoms are not sure because I know that there are two countries in Europe, they are making condoms with the virus on purpose," he alleged, refusing to name the countries.

"They want to finish with the African people. This is the programme. They want to colonise until up to now. If we are not careful we will finish in one century's time."

Full story:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7014335.stm

Is it even possible this guy actually believes this? Because if he doesn't, he is deliberately lying, and endangering the lives of a great many people.

...or does anyone think he could be telling the truth?


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Message 2 of 11 (424436)
09-26-2007 11:09 PM


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Message 3 of 11 (424438)
09-26-2007 11:11 PM
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09-26-2007 5:30 PM


Unbelievable
Shtop writes:

Is it even possible this guy actually believes this?

According to the link you provided he does.

I thought that Arch Bishops were smarter than that!


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Message 4 of 11 (424447)
09-27-2007 12:57 AM
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Re: Unbelievable
Phat writes:

I thought that Arch Bishops were smarter than that!

It wasn't a big step to Maculate Deception.


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Message 5 of 11 (424460)
09-27-2007 4:03 AM
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09-26-2007 5:30 PM


The deliberate infection thing certainly seems a little on the extreme side. More likely I'd say it's just another incarnation of the whole anti-condom thing that has reared its ugly head before.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/aids/story/0,7369,1059068,00.html

One wonders how many infections and/or deaths have resulted from all this.

Bishop takes pawn.


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Dr Jack
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Message 6 of 11 (424466)
09-27-2007 5:34 AM
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09-26-2007 5:30 PM


Is it even possible this guy actually believes this? Because if he doesn't, he is deliberately lying, and endangering the lives of a great many people.

...or does anyone think he could be telling the truth?

Ah, yes, but their immortal souls will be saved!


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Hyroglyphx
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Message 7 of 11 (424602)
09-27-2007 4:35 PM
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09-26-2007 5:30 PM


Grand conspiracies
Is it even possible this guy actually believes this? Because if he doesn't, he is deliberately lying, and endangering the lives of a great many people.

...or does anyone think he could be telling the truth?

Wow, that is a fantastic story! I'm sure he's being genuine, but clearly the burden of proof is on him. The collusion factor would be tremendous to pull off a stunt like that.


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Message 8 of 11 (424613)
09-27-2007 5:27 PM
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09-27-2007 4:35 PM


Re: Grand conspiracies
The collusion factor would be tremendous to pull off a stunt like that.

Unless they're packing condoms with live cell culture these days, it would be impossible to "infect" condoms with HIV. The virus can't survive that long outside a host, which is why it's spread by direct fluid contact and not, say, toilet seats and doorknobs.


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Chiroptera
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Message 9 of 11 (424616)
09-27-2007 5:37 PM
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09-26-2007 5:30 PM


Is it even possible this guy actually believes this?

Yes. The belief that Western governments are using condoms to spread AIDS is fairly widespread in Africa (although I don't know how common it is).


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Hyroglyphx
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Message 10 of 11 (424624)
09-27-2007 6:15 PM
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09-27-2007 5:27 PM


Re: Grand conspiracies
Unless they're packing condoms with live cell culture these days, it would be impossible to "infect" condoms with HIV

Precisely. Furthermore, it would be relatively easy to debunk the entire assertion by simply testing these condoms for live cultures.

Call it an argument of incredulity, or by any other name, but it simply sounds ridiculous to me and wholly implausible.


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Message 11 of 11 (424644)
09-27-2007 8:35 PM
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09-27-2007 5:37 PM


Chiroptera writes:

The belief that Western governments are using condoms to spread AIDS is fairly widespread in Africa (although I don't know how common it is).


It is not as common a belief as the belief that condoms are an instrument of the west to curb the population of Africans.

After all, it is utterly rediculous to think that condoms could be used to spread AIDS among the Africans. We all know that only gay people can be infected with HIV. If you're straight, there shouldn't be anything to worry about.


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