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Author Topic:   Pakicetus being presented with webbed feet.
randman 
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Message 1 of 7 (261334)
11-19-2005 6:15 PM


I hate to rehash stuff, but I thought before going on, we could have a few threads to establish some basic facts so we don't have to argue if they are real or not.
One fact is that when Pakicetus was first presented to the world, the diagrams and illustrations, such as the quite extensive lay-out in National Geographic, depicted Pakicetus with webbed feet. Later, textbooks such as the ones for my kids also showed Pakicetus with webbed feet.
Do the evos here believe this occured, or not?
For the lurkers, Pakicetus is purely a land animal that evolutionists claim is a whale or alternatively an ancestor to a whale, and tried to pass it off as semi-aquatic even though they had nothing but a skull. Basically, the animal has a slightly expanded aurul cavity, and pretty much on that basis, they think it must have been the beginnings of whales evolving, but interestingly, some evos call it one of the first whales, even though it looks like a dog or large rate, and has basically no whale features at all.

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Message 2 of 7 (261377)
11-19-2005 8:59 PM
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11-19-2005 6:15 PM


What is up for discussion?
I'm not sure what there is to discuss here. Are you just looking for a yes or no answer? If you can provide a reference to the particular National Geographic issue, then it would seem that this can be settled without discussion.
Are you willing to also discuss why you think this a significant issue? If you are, please edit the OP to include that as part of the topic.

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Message 3 of 7 (261545)
11-20-2005 11:31 AM
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11-19-2005 6:15 PM


Which door are you knocking on?
Randman writes:
I thought before going on, we could have a few threads to establish some basic facts so we don't have to argue if they are real or not.
I agree with nwr that a link or two to the articles could get the facts established. In addition, which forum would you want your edited PNT placed in? What audience are you wanting to reach?

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Message 4 of 7 (261625)
11-20-2005 6:44 PM
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11-20-2005 11:31 AM


Re: Which door are you knocking on?
We can scratch it if you want. It's just that it seems like basic facts are not acknowledged by some. It's like arguing the sky really is blue. My feeling is some evos refuse to acknowledge any basic fact if they think the fact can be used to argue against their case.
But let's just move on....

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Message 5 of 7 (261632)
11-20-2005 7:16 PM
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11-20-2005 6:44 PM


Re: Which door are you knocking on?
Yaro has a copy of that National Geographic available, and is willing to post the picture. But there isn't much point if the discussion is limited to a "yes" or "no" answer.
Are you willing to include a discussion of why you think this is important? If you are, I will be happy to promote this thread. If you would prefer to limit your time by making this a one-on-one debate with Yaro, I am happy to promote this to a Great Debate thread.


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Message 6 of 7 (261635)
11-20-2005 7:19 PM
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11-20-2005 7:16 PM


Re: Which door are you knocking on?
PK, promote it in Education so he can present the pictures, and we can discuss whether the way Pakicetus is presented was right or not.

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Message 7 of 7 (261637)
11-20-2005 7:24 PM


Thread copied to the Pakicetus being presented with webbed feet. thread in the Education and Creation/Evolution forum, this copy of the thread has been closed.

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