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ikester7579
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Message 1 of 7 (311940)
05-15-2006 10:48 AM


While doing some research on oil. I ran across some numbers that nearly matched to a calculation I worked out.
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So when the earth was flooded to 5.5 miles, there was extreme pressure at the bottom. But, that's not the end of it. Some of our deepest oceans are 6.6 miles down. Ocean trenches are the deepest part of an ocean. The deepest one, the Marianas Trench in the South Pacific Ocean (6.6 mile down). That would be 12.1 miles down to the deepest part of the ocean during the flood. We'll round it off to 12 miles to make the math easier.
According to scuba diving books, every 33 feet you descend in water, doubles the atmospheric pressure. There are 5,280 feet in a mile. So 5,280 times 12 = 63360 feet, which equals 1920 atmospheres (63360 divided by 33). 1920 atmospheres equals 28,216.2066837 psi. Page Not Found - YecHeadquarters
Then while researching on the web I found this:
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high pressure (HT/HP) in very deep wells. The electronics needed to guide drilling operations and provide feedback on what is encountered downhole have been insulated to withstand HT/HP. As a result of these innovations, the industry now can develop fields with temperatures of 400 F (204 C) and pressures of 16,000 psi (11,000 N/cm2).
404: Resource Not Found
And there have been reports of pressures to 30,000 psi.
In the making of what's called "quick oil", less pressure is needed, but about the same temp. as what we currently find in the ground.
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Along the way, the mixture is heated up twice -- to about 500 and 1,000 degrees, respectively, and subjected to air pressures 50 times greater than what we feel on the Earth's surface.
How long does it take to make the oil?
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Changing World Technologies gets it done in less than three hours and ends up with purer products.
But because this same person, writing this article, believes in evolution. He also says:
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The difference is that it takes millions of years for the buried remains of plants, dinosaurs and other organic matter to break down into crude oil and natural gas.
Comment: You have the nearly the same conditions, in this factory, as you do in the ground. His oil takes 3 hours, but, the ground oil takes millions of years? When you apply the same situation in two areas, the same results occur.
http://www.mindfully.org/Energy/2004...gies4apr04.htm
So what do we have so far?
World wide flood support:
1) The flood caused 28,000-30,000 psi pressure in 12 plus miles of water (6 miles highest mountain, plus over 6 miles deepest ocean) that it took to flood the earth.
2) We have oil wells that are at pressures from 3,000 to 30,000 psi.
These pressures cannot be achieved in a local flood.
Then we have support for quick oil:
1) We have a company that makes oil in about 3 hours. Applying 500-1000 degree temps, and only 50 atmospheres to waste matter.
2) We have nature applying 3,000-30,000 psi (up to 2,000 atmospheres), and 400 degrees temps.
But yet it takes nature millions of years?
Young earth support:
Then we have the deal about how much pressure the oil is still under today . How does oil keep such high pressure for millions of years when there are such things as seepage?
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Natural Seeps*: Some ocean oil "pollution" is natural. Seepage from the ocean bottom and eroding sedimentary rocks releases oil.
Page Not Found - YecHeadquarters
How many years have we been sold this bill of goods that oil takes millions of years? But yet this evidence is there for all to see, but yet some refuse to see it?
What does God say about those who refuse to see truth?
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

  
ikester7579
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Message 2 of 7 (311941)
05-15-2006 10:54 AM


Then we have the crystalline canopy. Where air pressures were twice what they are now.
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Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
What happens to water that is exposed to the absolute zero temps of space? It starts to freeze.
Note:I tried to find out how long it takes for a inch of water to freeze on the ocean, or lake. Could not find it.
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6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
If you replace the word firmament with atmosphere, or air. You get the meaning of this verse Here God was allowing the frozen water to stay above, the created the atmosphere between what was frozen, and what was not frozen (Let there be firmament in the midst of the waters). And this is confirmed in the next verse.
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7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Water under is the unfrozen water. Waters above is the frozen water that was exposed to the absolute zero of space for at least 24 hours.
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9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
Notice the reference "water under heaven". This is referring to the unfrozen water. Where did it go? "One place" is under ground.
Because of the canopy, the air pressure of the earth was higher. Some creationist predict that it was twice what we have now. This also explains why there was no rain until Noah's flood. Rain clouds cannot form in high barometric pessures. Which is confirmed here:
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Genesis2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
The canopy that, surrounded the earth, was being pulled on by the sun. Because of this, it was closer to the earth on the dark side (night), and further from the earth on the light side (day). Because of this, air had to constantly move to compensate. In the morning, as the canopy would be drawn away from the earth's surface. It created a drop in the barometric pressure that allowed water to rise from the ground and water the plants. This wobble action of the canopy acted like a pump of sorts, making sure the plants were watered each morning. As confirmed in this verse:
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gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
What else could pull that much water from the ground every morning?

  
ikester7579
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Message 3 of 7 (311942)
05-15-2006 10:57 AM


The extra pressure also made the water, that covered the earth, H2O2. One extra oxygen molecule was forced into the water by the extra barometric pressure of the atmosphere. This is one reason why spring water comes out blue. The extra oxygen molecule does this, and also confirms the conditions of the earth before the flood. Because how else would underground water end up with that extra oxygen molecule unless it was on the surface first? For there is no extra oxygen molecules under the ground.
When the canopy fell, the pressure that held the extra molecule of oxygen into the water, was released. Making water what it is today H2O. The canopy was mainly hydrogen. So when it's gas mixed into our atmosphere, the free oxygen from the water combined and water for the flood was made.
To flood the earth to the point mentioned in God's word. More free oxygen had to be taken from our atmosphere. Not all the H2O2 was released, and is the reason our springs flow H2O2 blue water. And is the reason we do not have as much oxygen now as we did back then. Where did all this water go from the flood?
Enough to fill 30 of our oceans.
http://www.ldolphin.org/deepwaters.html
Even though the writer of that page above, tries to make it support Old Earth. He cannot explain how all that water got there without boiling off. During the flood, the extreme pressures (28,000-30,000 psi) allowed the water to enter the lava hot mineral discussed on this page, without boiling off. The boiling point of water rises with pressure. There's no telling how high that boiling point was at 28,000-30,000 psi.
So when the flood water receded from the face of the earth. it went into that mineral, under extreme pressure, and was locked in there to never use again.
When God struck his bow in the clouds, as a covenant between Him and man, to never destroy the earth with water again. Allowing that water to go where it did, makes the point even more clear. You see, to bring up that water again, to flood the earth. Would bring up so much lava with it, it would broil the earth. So the guy who wrote that page, also confirms that we cannot use it. Which confirms the covenant God made, and it shows through this discovery.

  
ikester7579
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Message 4 of 7 (311943)
05-15-2006 10:59 AM


The kinetic energy problem:
Evolutionist like to bring up the problem of kinetic energy being produced during the flood. But forget one thing. During the flood, there was no sun light. No light equals no heat source. So to keep the earth warm like the sun, how much kinetic energy would you need?
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Averaged over an entire year and the entire Earth, the Sun deposits 342 Watts of energy into every square meter of the Earth*. This is a very large amount of heat”1.7 x 1017 watts of power that the Sun sends to the Earth/atmosphere system. For comparison, a large electric power plant would produce 100 million watts of power, or 108 watts. It would take 1.7 billion such power plants to equal the energy coming to the Earth from the Sun”roughly one for every three people on the Earth! EO - 404 Error
And because heavy rain clouds hover closer to the earth, the travel distance and speed are effected. Which also effects the actual kinetic energy.
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Kinetic energy: Energy that a body has as a result of its motion. Mathematically, it is defined as one-half the product of a body's mass and the square of its speed. The form of energy associated with the speed of an object. Its equation is: KE=1/2mv2(squared); or kinetic energy= ? mass x velocity squared.
So the kinetic energy produced by the rain would have to exceed the energy of the sun to broil the earth, as evolutionists like to claim that it would. So to prove this more to a point, they would have to first prove that this energy exceeded the sun's. I have not seen any evolutionist do this.

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Message 5 of 7 (311945)
05-15-2006 11:04 AM
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05-15-2006 10:59 AM


One topic at a time please
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    Message 6 of 7 (311950)
    05-15-2006 11:15 AM


    Disparate posts? I take it this forum does not like YEC's. I'll go some place else.
    Thanks.

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    Message 7 of 7 (311957)
    05-15-2006 11:25 AM
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    05-15-2006 11:15 AM


    Actually ikester, nothing I said seems to suggest that we “do not like YEC’s.” Your first post discusses oil production and pressure relative to the great flood. This is a Geology and The Great Flood topic.
    Posts 2 and 3 seem to both be discussing a canopy that affects air pressure and oxygen molecules in water. This is a separate topic and would not go in the geology forum.
    Post 4 discusses kinetic energy, sunlight, heat, travel distance and speed.
    I suggest that you pick one concise topic to discuss at a time and we can work together on getting it promoted.
    Thank you

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