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Rob 
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Message 1 of 7 (376648)
01-13-2007 12:47 AM


In the thread I met God, Iceage writes:
However, most religions are exclusive in that if you do not believe in a certain set of core doctrine you are a heathen.
All philosophies and religions are exclusive... especially the pantheist ones.
The cosmic vaccume cleaner of popular new age pantheism just opposes and exalts itself over everything else and claims that they (the knowing) are one with the divine. They are God. They believe we are evolving into the self aware universe, and that is everything, and that is God.
If you are unfamilliar with pantheism, then watch the movie, 'What the Bleep do we Know'. Ramtha (as she calls herself, and who channels the Hindu God Ram) will flat out tell you, 'You are God'.
That particular movie is revealing and far more honest than the typical 'sel-described' pantheist, who is really only flirting with the concept. They posit the idea that we create our own reality, and that the problem with the world is that we need to shift from the Christian paradigm, to the 'true' paradigm.
And they especially exclude the religions that are openly exclusive. They mock and impune the primitive believers of those narrow systems as evil. But to call something evil is to exclude it from being true! For if anything is the heart of evil it is falsehood.
But the pantheist cannot take to being examined very carefully because being God, he or she does not like to be challenged. God owns Himself / Herself. He is His own. If you challenge them, they will collectively suspend your backside for speaking with disrespect to the Kings and Queens of the universe. Like they did to Jesus, they will slap you for your arrogance.
1 Corinthians 6:19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own
That is why I reject Pantheism. Because it is a fraud. An imposter that sets itself up, as the very thing it claims not to be. It opposes itself. It is a contradiction and a falsehood; a deception. It is the most exclusive of all because it calls itself the truth! It is a copy of Christianity even to the extent of each member being part of the body. Some of it is so close to Christianity that it is like the negative of a photograph.
Well, it is either the truth or the antitruth; Christ or antichrist. One thing is certain... as sure as there is a hell, there is no middle ground. One openly reveals it's true nature (that of exclusivity) and the other will avoid admitting that at the expense of reason itself.
Matthew 12:30 "He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.
But it will sell. Man (as oppposed to God) does it sell in this dark time. Because the philosophy promises that you can have your physical cake and eat your spiritual fruitcake too. You can indulge like the carnal God that they accuse the God of the Bible of being.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God. 5 Don't you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
Job 34:33 Should God then reward you on your terms, when you refuse to repent? You must decide, not I; so tell me what you know.
Matthew 7:12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets (love the truth and tell it). 13 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
Question for this thread: Would any pantheist like to challenge this interpretation and exclude it from being true? or anyone else for that matter?
Bible study?
Edited by scottness, : No reason given.

Matthew 10:26 "So do not be afraid of them. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.

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Message 2 of 7 (376670)
01-13-2007 3:09 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Rob
01-13-2007 12:47 AM


Topic needs editing
I will challenge the length of this as an opening topic. I may appear to be hard on you, scottness, but I want to emphasize that this forum is not your forum nor your own personal blog or a platform for witnessing and preaching.
For one thing, it is not good form to start a topic out as an assertion without backing it up with evidence.
You may think I have joined the dark side, but I actually agree with many of your premises in part. I am just picky as to the length and format of this topic. If you rewrite it and tighten it up, I'll promote it. I will give you one week to respond.

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01-13-2007 3:23 AM
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01-13-2007 3:09 AM


Re: Topic needs editing
For one thing, it is not good form to start a topic out as an assertion without backing it up with evidence
What did you have in mind?

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01-13-2007 7:44 PM
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01-13-2007 3:23 AM


Re: Topic needs editing
Shorten it and provide a working definition of pantheism as well as replacing the scriptures with links. It never hurts to rewrite an opening statement so as to make it instantly readable by passing folk.

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01-13-2007 9:16 PM
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01-13-2007 7:44 PM


Re: Topic needs editing
replacing the scriptures with links.
??? To crosswalk.com?
No scripture = no evidence.

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01-13-2007 9:20 PM
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01-13-2007 9:16 PM


Re: Topic needs editing
I'm going to step on some toes here and move this topic live. I know that there are several people waiting to debate it and I don't see a problem with how the op is written.

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Message 7 of 7 (376825)
01-13-2007 9:24 PM


Thread copied to the Pantheism revealed... thread in the Comparative Religions forum, this copy of the thread has been closed.

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