The inspiration for this post is from a discussion I was having with Peg here:
Message 31
I thought the question was big enough for a topic of it's own, and also thought it took the existing thread too far off-topic.
From that message:
Peg writes:
Stile writes:
Stile writes:
They'll (proponents of ID) try deception in order to get into schools so they can reach a multitude of young-minds for the only purpose of "getting more people to act exactly like they do."
how do they act?
ps. i dont think we have ID people here in australia...i've never met one anyway.
A basic explanation is as follows:
ID people act in such a way that they do whatever they can to glorify the God they believe in. It is generally a USA phenomenon, but aspects of it can be found pretty much world-wide.
The problems begin when they include the following as "glorifying God":
-the idea that everyone should be a Christian and there is absolutely no other "right" choice
-the idea that it's the ID'ers personal responsibility to make sure that as many people as possible
become Christians in order to be included in the "right" choice
-interfering with other people's decisions in order to force other people to also "glorify God" as the ID people think it should be done.
-getting into positions of political power in order to create/edit laws so that they can force other people to "glorify God" as the ID people think it should be done.
-reaching out to as many children as possible (by even abusing schools and other public venues) in order to force other people to "glorify God" as the ID people think it should be done.
The basics on "glorifying God":
-the Bible (KJV?) explains everything that ever needs to be known about life and relationships and the world (including scientific exploration)
-the science of evolution should not be acknowledged because certain areas of the Bible do not literally agree
-the science of abiogenesis should not be acknowledged because certain areas of the Bible do not literally agree
-the science of geology (including radiometric dating) should not be acknowledged because certain areas of the Bible do not literally agree
I hope that's a good start, and I hope others can add their definitions as well. Hearing from actual people who accept Intelligent Design would be greatly appreciated.
Here's some things I found on the internets:
1. The following is from a proponent of ID. Note that it is written in such a way as to "get you to feel sorry" for ID. It doesn't just present facts, it presents facts and tries to make you feel guilty for simply not knowing them already. This is how ID people act, they will do anything they can in order to sway as many people as possible into believing "their side" of the story. There is no regard for honesty or truth.
Teaching Intelligent Design as Religion or Science?By
William A. Dembski(From the page: This data file may be reproduced in its entirety for non-commercial use)
2. The following is a news article about how a Judge (who, politically speaking, should have been as close to "sympathetic" to ID as possible) rules that ID should not be allowed in Pennsylvania public schools. I think that William Dembski (the author of the paper linked above) was involved in the trial, but I'm not sure. I do know that
Michael Behe (another prominent proponent of ID) was very involved in the trial and even "took the stand" at one point.
‘Religious alternative’ to evolution barred from public-school science classes
I think this should be placed in the Intelligent Design forum.
™ Version 4.2