In
Message 167 on the
An Exploration Into"Agnosticism" thread bluegenes asserted:
quote:
"All supernatural beings are figments of the human imagination".
This is a high level of confidence theory. The human imagination is the only known source of supernatural beings, just as adult rabbits are the only known source of baby rabbits.
It is falsified by the demonstration of the existence of just one supernatural being beyond all reasonable doubt.
It is not falsified by unsupported assertions like "a supernatural being can exist".
If anyone does not agree that this is a strong theory, I'd be happy to participate in a one on one debate on the subject, and support the theory with plenty of evidence.
I replied (
Message 169):
quote:
If anyone does not agree that this is a strong theory, ...
Calling it a "strong theory" doesn't make it so. What you have is wishful thinking and confirmation bias coupled to the logical fallacy of Affirming the Consequent.
... and support the theory with plenty of evidence.
Which you certainly need to do, having just just made a positive (and rather extraordinary) claim that absolutely no god/s can exist.
Of course my participation will only involve showing the errors and poor logic in your argument/s, and I bear absolutely no burden to substantiate my personal position/s in this proposed debate: the sole focus would be on your attempt/s to show objective empirical evidence that shows - once and for all - that no god/s can possibly exist, because
"All supernatural beings are figments of the human imagination".
... ie, that there are absolutely no actual supernatural beings, because all the concepts are made up, imaginary fictions.
Note that when you say:
It is not falsified by unsupported assertions like "a supernatural being can exist".
- that this is you already equivocating on your statement and attempting to employing the logical fallacy of poisoning the well.
Curiously I do not need to
claim,
assert or
believe that "supernatural being (X) can exist" -- all I need to do is present you with a concept of a supernatural being, like supernatural being (X), and then it is
your task to demonstrate, with objective empirical valid evidence, that these concepts are
unequivocally and
absolutely a fictional invention and not a supernatural being.
Let me repeat that your claim (with emphasis added) is:
"All supernatural beings are figments of the human imagination".
... ie, that
there are absolutely no actual supernatural beings, because all the concepts are made up, imaginary fictions.
Thus if what you say is true, then the only way to determine that, is to review various concepts of supernatural entities and have you show the objective empirical valid evidence (which you claim to have) that demonstrates that these concepts are
unequivocally and
absolutely a fictional invention and not a supernatural being.
So my task involves getting you to demonstrate that this is the case for a number of supernatural entities, and this necessarily involves entities that some people have claimed could exist (although not necessarily by me), however, I don't need to
assert that they exist, just bring them up to see you demonstrate how you can determine that they are made up fictional entities.
Your
first task is to demonstrate that the Invisible\Imperceptible Pink Unicorn (IPU) is
unequivocally and
absolutely a fictional invention and
not a supernatural being.
This should be easy. Failure to do so means you lose the debate.
The challenge is accepted, let the equivocation and evasion begin.
Enjoy.
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