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sinamatic
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Message 1 of 11 (293832)
03-10-2006 3:25 AM


I have a little theory on time that I feel leans towards the existance of God. Please give it some thought and I would love to hear your replies.
Time doesn't fly, there is no father time, time is just another measurement. It makes more sense to me to view the history of the universe as "the history of the universe" rather than call it time or anything else. Time is a measurement of change and should not be used to describe all change that has happened or will happen because I think it causes confusion. When we think philisophically, we use language in our minds. We use what we know as fact and try to formulate theories that most logically coincide with those facts. If you look up time in a dictionary you will see many definitions.
I know that in mathematics time is used in equations like mass, velocity, and distance. "The second (symbol s) is a unit for time, and one of seven SI base units. It is defined as the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium-133 atom at zero kelvin."(googled it lol) There has to be something that changes for time to be measured. Time is just another measurement of matter like weight, velocity, gravity, magnetism etc etc. This lead me to believe that without matter, measurements like weight, velocity, and time do not exist or exist only in imagination. For example, how could you compare nothing to nothing? I came to the conclusion that time, weight, velocity and all the other measurements did not come into existance until matter did. I feel that the begining to time has to be the begining of matter. History began when matter was created.
Most of us would agree that the past is done and over with, it cannot be changed. For us to get to this particular point in history, i.e., you sitting there right now, your ancestors had to live and die, the earth had to make a certain revolutions around the sun etc etc. I found a problem with the thought of the universe always existing. If the past was done and over with, it could not have gone back forever otherwise we would never get to the current point we are at. How could you start at negative infinity and climb to 2006? Even if history repeated itself I felt that we would still be at a certain number of repetitions. Another way of explaining it, is if all matter had to react with itself to reach the form it is at today it could not have been forever reacting in history.
It makes far more sense to me to believe the bible and accept that the universe was created by God. When God created matter and the laws of physics and time, history, weight, velocity and all other measurements could now be measured.
It explains in the Bible that God is unchanging. In the book of Malachi it says "I the Lord do not change." (NIV) It is a very interesting statement to me. That would mean that God is not made of matter, seeing how all matter changes, nor is he bound by any of the laws of physics. God made matter and all of natures laws. Jesus meant it when he said "God is Love." Anyway, I understand that my theory by no means proves God's existance. Personally, I find it foolish to accept that God can create everything including the laws of the universe, then try to disprove or prove his existance using those same laws or think that he is bound by them. However, science is bound by those laws and I think is flawed if you think of the universe as always being in existance.
This message has been edited by Brokenpride, 03-20-2006 03:38 AM
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Message 2 of 11 (293834)
03-10-2006 3:30 AM
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03-10-2006 3:25 AM


Edit for punctuation
hey Brokenpride....welcome to EvC forum! This is your first post, so before I will consider promoting it, I want to ask you to please correct and polish your spelling and punctuation.
Read the Forum Guidelines.
and get back to me in a few days...(by March 15th)


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    sinamatic
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    From: Traverse City, MI usa
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    Message 3 of 11 (293849)
    03-10-2006 4:17 AM
    Reply to: Message 2 by AdminPhat
    03-10-2006 3:30 AM


    Re: Edit for punctuation
    Thanks, I think that the punctuation is better now. I'm sure it's not perfect but probably easier to read.

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    Message 4 of 11 (294860)
    03-13-2006 10:37 AM
    Reply to: Message 3 by sinamatic
    03-10-2006 4:17 AM


    Step Two
    Thanks for doing that! It makes your topic so much easier to understand.
    Now..Step Two is for us to understand where your topic best fits in.
    BrokenPride writes:
    I have a little theory on time that I feel leans towards the existance of God. Please give it some thought and I would love to hear your replies.
    First I need to clarify what I mean by the word "time". Most of us would agree that the past is done and over with, it cannot be changed. For us to get to this particular point in time, i.e., you sitting there right now, your ancestors had to live and die, the earth had to make a certain revolutions around the sun etc etc. I found a problem with that thought though. If the past was done and over with, it could not have gone back forever otherwise we would never get to the current point in time we are at. How could you start at negative infinity and climb to 2006? Even if time repeated itself I felt that we would still be at a certain number of repetitions. It seemed to me that there had to be a begining to time. However, what exactly is time?
    AdminPhat writes:
    Is this discussion leaning towards the science of Cosmology? The age of the universe and our planet itself is a topic that can be discussed in many different forums.
    I know that in mathematics time is used in equations like mass, velocity, and distance. A second is the equivalent to the period between quartz pulsations, or something like that I believe. Anyway, I came to the conclusion that time is simply a measurement of change. There has to be something that changes for time to be measured. Time is just another measurement of matter like weight, velocity, gravity, magnetism etc etc. This lead me to believe that without matter, weight, velocity, and time do not exist or exist only in our imagination. For example, how could you compare nothing to nothing? I came to the conclusion that time, weight, velocity and all the other measurements did not come into existance until matter did. I feel that the begining to time has to be the begining of matter. Time began when matter was created.
    AdminPhat writes:
    Lots of your beliefs here. I am beginning to sense a Faith/Belief topic. Do you know whether you want to go into a scientific discussion or a faith discussion, yet?
    It explains in the Bible that God is unchanging. In the book of Malachi it says "I the Lord do not change." (NIV) It is a very interesting statement to me. That would mean that God is not made of matter, seeing how all matter changes, nor is he bound by any of the laws of physics. God made matter and all of natures laws. Of course, this is assuming the Bible is true and that God does not change, God the father that is. Jesus must have meant it when he said "God is Love." Anyway, I understand that my theory by no means proves God's existance but I thought it was an interesting idea. Time doesn't fly, there is no father time, time is just another measurement. Although, if you're the type that believes in time travel and such, I'm sure you will have a lot to say about my views...
  • We have many "types" of people here at our forum. Some like to discuss events such as time from a scientific perspective. Others may find your topic more befitting of a philosophical faith based discussion. We are at the fork in the road. Which way are we going with this?
  • You seem to have a developing Faith and Belief and also a rather interesting theory. Look over the description of each Forum in this list and give me an idea of which forum your topic would fit best in. Only you know what you want to say and how you choose to discuss it with us.
  • You may continue to edit and revise the Original Topic as you think about what you want to say and discuss.
    Get back to me in a day or so with your additional thoughts.
    The reason that we insist on framing and revising topics before promotion is that we have found that when the topic author knows where they are wanting to go with the topic, the topic lasts much longer and is more easily discussed when placed in the proper forum!
    This message has been edited by AdminPhat, 03-13-2006 08:40 AM


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    Message 5 of 11 (295904)
    03-16-2006 10:21 AM
    Reply to: Message 3 by sinamatic
    03-10-2006 4:17 AM


    Re: Edit for punctuation
    *Bump*----Im still waiting to hear from youin regards to which forum you want to focus on. See my previous message.

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    sinamatic
    Member (Idle past 4163 days)
    Posts: 67
    From: Traverse City, MI usa
    Joined: 03-10-2006


    Message 6 of 11 (296515)
    03-18-2006 6:02 PM
    Reply to: Message 5 by AdminPhat
    03-16-2006 10:21 AM


    Re:
    I think Big bang and cosmology would be a good fit. sorry my reply took so long, been kinda busy

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    sinamatic
    Member (Idle past 4163 days)
    Posts: 67
    From: Traverse City, MI usa
    Joined: 03-10-2006


    Message 7 of 11 (296701)
    03-20-2006 2:30 AM
    Reply to: Message 5 by AdminPhat
    03-16-2006 10:21 AM


    Re: Edit for punctuation
    I edited my topic further, hopefully it is better now

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    Message 8 of 11 (296713)
    03-20-2006 5:19 AM
    Reply to: Message 6 by sinamatic
    03-18-2006 6:02 PM


    Re: Where O where can my topic go?
    Brokenpride writes:
    I think Big Bang and Cosmology would be a good fit.
    True, but then you bring God into the equation!
    I am going to promote you and get the ball rolling. I will help you get the topic started and let you debate and discuss your hybrid philosophy of science and religion with the peanut gallery!
    Big Bang and Cosmology it is!
    This message has been edited by AdminPhat, 03-20-2006 03:28 AM

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    Message 9 of 11 (296715)
    03-20-2006 5:28 AM


    Thread moved here from the Proposed New Topics forum.

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    Message 10 of 11 (296717)
    03-20-2006 5:32 AM


    Thread moved here from the Big Bang and Cosmology forum.

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    Message 11 of 11 (296718)
    03-20-2006 5:34 AM
    Reply to: Message 7 by sinamatic
    03-20-2006 2:30 AM


    Re: Edit for punctuation
    Brokenpride writes:
    I edited my topic further, hopefully it is better now
    Thanks, and sorry I am learning how to "edit" myself! I am going to take message 1 only to Big Bang/Cosmology.
    This thread is closed.

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