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nima
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Message 1 of 9 (747200)
01-13-2015 10:23 AM


Could anyone think of a situation where the education could be deceitful?
Any help would be appreciated

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Message 2 of 9 (747202)
01-13-2015 10:34 AM
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01-13-2015 10:23 AM


Christian Cult of Ignorance avoidance schools
Some great examples are all the text books sold by A Beka Books and any schools or home schoolers using such material.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 3 of 9 (747203)
01-13-2015 10:37 AM
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01-13-2015 10:23 AM


nima asks:
Could anyone think of a situation where the education could be deceitful?
It would be more difficult to find an education that is not deceitful, wouldn't it?
Seems all educational systems from pre-school to Ph.D. have some kind of nod to the cultural environment they come from and therefore contain a non-zero bias, however small, that deceives.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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nima
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Message 4 of 9 (747212)
01-13-2015 11:02 AM
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01-13-2015 10:37 AM


Seems all educational systems from pre-school to Ph.D. have some kind of nod to the cultural environment they come from and therefore contain a "non-zero bias"
First off, thank you so much.
However, as I am learning English, I failed to get what is the concept of the sentence above, especially the highlight part. So, would you please in a more readily way explain that? Many thanks
Cheers,
nima

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Dr Adequate
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Message 5 of 9 (747216)
01-13-2015 11:12 AM
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01-13-2015 10:23 AM


Could anyone think of a situation where the education could be deceitful?
... if the things being taught are known to be false?
Obviously.
Perhaps you should ask a more precise question.

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nima
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Message 6 of 9 (747227)
01-13-2015 12:53 PM
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01-13-2015 11:12 AM


I am still confused.

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Message 7 of 9 (747261)
01-13-2015 3:27 PM
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01-13-2015 12:53 PM


WordReference Forums
Hello nima,
Did you check out the links I gave you in your other thread?
We have a lot of helpful people around here. And by no means is English the first language of all of our members. But I'm not sure EvC is the best place to learn English. Unless you specify, folks here won't assume you're asking a language-use question and you're probably not gonna get the kind of help you're looking for.
I really do suggest you try the WordReference Forums. Your questions would be answered almost instantly, and because everyone's native language and location is listed by their username, you will know which answers are most relevant to the style of English you wish to learn (American, British, Canadian, etc.).
Whatever you choose, best of luck on your language-learning adventure!

Love your enemies!

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RAZD
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Message 8 of 9 (747276)
01-13-2015 4:47 PM
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01-13-2015 11:02 AM


Welcome to the fray nima
Seems all educational systems from pre-school to Ph.D. have some kind of nod to the cultural environment they come from and therefore contain a "non-zero bias"
type [qs]quotes are easy[/qs] and it becomes:
quotes are easy
and you can type [qs=RAZD]quotes are easy[/qs] and it becomes:
RAZD writes:
quotes are easy
or type [quote]quotes are easy[/quote] and it becomes:
quote:
quotes are easy
... especially the highlight part. ...
Highlighting has to be coded manually (you have to type codes to make the highlights.
check out (help) in the left sidebar of the reply window.
... as I am learning English, I failed to get what is the concept of the sentence above, ...
Basically xongsmith is saying that all textbooks are biased by the writer, due to their personal and cultural biases, and thus there are different levels of deceit in them.
A good approach is to question everything and have an open mind.
Enjoy

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nima
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Message 9 of 9 (748057)
01-22-2015 11:28 AM
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01-13-2015 4:47 PM


Greay many thanks all.

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