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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Joe Heller well said:
One of the good presidents. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Percy Member Posts: 22502 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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You and I lived through Jimmy Carter. He's a good man, possibly even a great man. He wasn't a very good president.
--Percy
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Probably the biggest trial he had was the Iran hostage crisis.
Why I think he was good was that he did not go to war over it as would happen today with any number of GOP candidates. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Percy Member Posts: 22502 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
If Reagan was the Teflon president then Carter was the flypaper president. Everything he touched turned to dross and he got the blame, plus bad things just seemed to happen on his watch. You already mentioned the Iran hostage crisis, not his fault, but the Desert One debacle was a mission *he* approved. There was also the gas shortage with incredible lines at the pumps and unreal (for then) gas prices, plus inflation was up way above 10% and mortgage interest rates above 15%.
Then there was his wimpy approach to problem solving, like sitting in a sweater and announcing a crisis of confidence. Even his calls to action came off poorly, like declaring the Moral Equivalent of War with it's lack of teeth and unfortunate acronym.
RAZD writes: Why I think he was good was that he did not go to war over it as would happen today with any number of GOP candidates. Praising him for not sharing Republican lunacy damns him with faint praise. He *was* very unlucky, but great leaders make their own luck. --Percy
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4444 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
He was pretty unlucky and he had that dimwitted brother who was always in the news.
He is a good man. He was responsible for the Camp David Accord, which seemed pretty amazing, to me, at the time.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
It is confusing when you originate political threads after you cheered Coyote for writing:
Coyote writes: The more this site becomes a political site via the Coffee House, and the less it is a EvC as intended, the less interest it has for me. Carter's post-presidential WORDS almost make him a hero to me . . .
quote: But his presidential ACTIONS were as shameful as other american presidents . . . Latin America: quote:http://www.chomsky.info/articles/199607--.htm East Timor: quote:http://www.chomsky.info/talks/1990----.htm
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Percy Member Posts: 22502 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Tanypteryx writes: He was responsible for the Camp David Accord, which seemed pretty amazing, to me, at the time. [cynicism]Yeah, I know, but it didn't bring peace. The Nobel Peace Prize has been awarded for efforts to bring about peace in the Middle East in 1978, 1994, 2002 (in part) and 2009 (in part). Like fusion power, peace in the Middle East is a dream of the future and always will be. It will continue to generate Nobel Peace Prizes for generations to come.[/cynicism] --Percy Edited by Percy, : Grammar.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4444 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Yeah, no peace, but just getting Egypt and Isreal in the same room talking was amazing.
I am sorry to hear that Carter has cancer. I expect that the public part of his illness and death will be with dignity.
Like fusion power, peace in the Middle East is dream of the future and always will be. It will continue to generate Nobel Peace Prizes for generations to come. I have wondered (to myself) what would happen if the U. S. completely withdrew from the middle east, and had no contact, for a generation, what would happen? I mean completely ignore them, no aid, no trade, no communication, no Americans there at all, no matter what happens. I am so sick of all the sides in all the countries involved. This has nothing to do with Carter, just a personal rant.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'll tell you what would happen. Israel would be attacked immediately by the Arab world, just as they attacked the moment Israel was established as a state, and again on Yom Kippur in 1967. God defended them then and might now as well. But all the negotiations for peace have been nothing but a sham, ALL our Presidents who push for peace are delusional on the subject because the fact of the matter is that the Palestinians (meaning the terrorist leaders, not the people though the people are mostly in favor of the leaders anyway) sabotage every peace effort. They do not want peace, they want Israel dead, pushed into the sea. They say as much and everybody ignores it. Their maps are drawn with no Israel on them. They don't want a state alongside Israel; they could have had that time and time again and with much help from Israel in accomplishing it too, but they refused every offer, sabotaged every deal. Anything the Palestinians get is turned into a launching place for weapons against Israel. Israel gave up Gaza and the Palestinians let it fall into ruin and built tunnels for weapons and their daily pastime is to lob rockets at Israel. Still people think Oh why can't there be peace. What's that line about the evidence of insanity. That you keep doing something over and over that never works?
Well, you may get your wish anyway. Obama seems inclined to abandon Israel. Followers of Bible prophecy are gritting our teeth and wondering what is going to happen... The War of Armageddon perhaps?
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ramoss Member (Idle past 640 days) Posts: 3228 Joined:
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There will be fusion power long before there is peace in the middle east.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4444 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
I don't know what any of this has to do with Jimmy Carter.
I have not heard anything Obama says about Isreal. I don't see that I should be obligated to spend any of my tax dollars on Isreal.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... here was also the gas shortage with incredible lines at the pumps and unreal (for then) gas prices, ... And his lowering the highway speed limit to 50 by executive order was a good example of dealing with problems caused by others. Personally I think we could live with 40 mph, but then I'm biased as a cyclist ...
He *was* very unlucky, but great leaders make their own luck. You mean like Schrubbia? Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
It is confusing when you originate political threads after you cheered Coyote for writing: Well I actually thought about just that issue when I posted, but without any new YECs I thought I would provide some fill broadcasting ...
Carter's post-presidential WORDS almost make him a hero to me . . . And actions - I think he's done more post-president than as president.
But his presidential ACTIONS were as shameful as other american presidents . . . Latin America: I often wonder how much a president's hands are tied by the dept of defense etc. It seems a lot of president's get elected on great programs and then they have their first security council briefing and the actions follow their predecessors actions more than their promises. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4444 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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When Carter was in office I can remember being pretty critical of him. Since his presidency ended I have come to admire him a lot.
I especially like his criticism of the so-called Christians in Congress who cut off funding for food and the basic necessities for the poor and children. I love it when he makes heads spin on Fox. He has not been afraid to voice his criticisms of those in office now. What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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RAZD writes:
It's good to know that the "pinnacle" of your career doesn't have to be the end of your career.
I think he's done more post-president than as president.
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