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Author | Topic: 3 Jeopardy contestants couldn't get the "Anatolia" answer tonight ($2500 big question | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
Why is knowing anything about Anatolia such a big deal?
The Greek region of Turkey, which remained part of the Ottoman Empire even after (the more western) "Greece" successfully fought for independence 200 years ago.During the rebellion, the Turks slaughtered the Greeks in many Anatolian cities, simply for being Greek, despite their opposition to the rebellion. That was the 1820s. 100 years later, The Allies, in the aftermath of World War 1, gave Anatolia to Greece, but the totally defeated Turks, quickly reorganized and took Anatolia right back just as the modern post-Ottoman Empire nation of Turkey was being founded. Between the events of 1821 and 1924, most of the ethnic-Greek cities were COMPLETELY DEPOPULATED, and relegated to ruins. Did I mention that this Anatolia is the home to the 7 (Greek) churches of Revelation? Did I mention that I have NEVER found a single Christian "prophecy" believer (which always will have a disproportionate love of the 100 AD Greek book of Revelation) who has a clue what Anatolia is? I have asked (probably) 400 Christians "What is Anatolia?" when they blather "end times" and "prophecy" to me. "What is Anatolia?" "Anatolia?" Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1322 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
Quiz shows are tough. What the hell are potatoes?
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ringo Member (Idle past 710 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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LamerkNewAge writes:
It isn't. Why is knowing anything about Anatolia such a big deal?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1642 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
ringo writes: LamerkNewAge writes:
It isn't. Why is knowing anything about Anatolia such a big deal? anatolia was home to hittite empire, who spoke the earliest indo-european language that we know about. they're kind of a median point between western semitic mythology like the baal cycle and the bible, and the greek mythology. troy was in anatolia. much of early christianity grew up in anatolia.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Anatolia isn't "Greek," necessarily. The oldest known human ruins were in that region and has traded hands multiple times. The Hittites, Phrygians, Byzantines, Romans, Ottomans, Greeks, Mycenaeans, and now the all-encompassing "Turks." All called it home at one point. Not to mention the pre-historical people's. It's actually been a pretty contentious piece of real estate. Probably because of its incredible climate and good soil
"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1322 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined:
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I should just leave this nonsense thread to die as it is doing, but I unfortunately can't resist some nitpicking
100 years later, The Allies, in the aftermath of World War 1, gave Anatolia to Greece, but the totally defeated Turks, quickly reorganized and took Anatolia right back just as the modern post-Ottoman Empire nation of Turkey was being founded. The allies didn't give Anatolia to Greece. Smyrna; which was already occupied by the Greeks, was declared an autonomous province within the Ottoman Empire; with the Greek occupation force remaining and a referendum on its future status being planned for 5 years later. Now, I wouldn't nitpick about the 'giving to Greece' part, since this Greek majority region occupied by the Greek army almost certainly would have voted for unification with Greece 5 years later had not the Turkish War of Independence put a crimp on that. However, I have to question the 'Anatolia' part. Here's a map via Wikipedia. The part being effectively granted to Greece in the treaty is shaded in blue. Are you sure you know what Anatolia is?
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ringo Member (Idle past 710 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
The phrase, "carved up like a turkey," comes to mind.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
I noticed my mistake as I was typing. (I planned to go back but didn't because I started to google other stuff and got busy). I know (and have known) how broad Anatolia is compared to the disputed lands in the modern events I was discussing.
I forgot to change the World War 1 part to specify the western part of Anatolia. As for the rest of your post, let me ask you about this.
quote: Treaty of Svres - Wikipedia Occupation of Smyrna - Wikipedia Greek landing at Smyrna - Wikipedia My question is how you can harmonize your comments with what happened. (I have a hard time seeing your comments as historical, but am I missing something?)
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
From the Wikipedia page on Smyrna:
quote: Then see this page that directly covers the massacre. Siege of Smyrna - Wikipedia
quote: History books now call Mycenaeans , the "Mycenaean Greeks", but did not before the mid 20th century. The Byzantines are the most relevant. Byzantine control essentially forced almost everybody to be cut from much the same cloth. Religion that is, but when one looks at ethnicity then it might be fair to say that the people that weren't ethnic Greeks would either leave or become absorbed. Mostly.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
I found a discussion that had people wondering just how Greek Anatolia was just before the Turkish arrival. The central and western regions were overwhelmingly Greek, according to the standard treatments. This has discussion on how Greek it was overall AFTER the Turkish arrival.
Just how Greek was medieval Anatolia? | Paradox Interactive Forums I found it by typing this into google: how Greek is Anatolia There is an alternate history discussion site that has a Greeks in Anatolia thread. It raises interesting questions and possibilities had certain events (like the 1919-1922 war) not taken place. Greeks in Anatolia | alternatehistory.com Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
I did a quick Bing search on the Paris Peace Conference.
quote: Now see this on Wikipedia
quote: Read the three or 4 links in my first reply. The 1920 treaty did come after the 1919 occupation, for sure. But the Allies still gave Smyrna (Izmir) to Greece.
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1322 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
As for the rest of your post, let me ask you about this. What 'rest of my post'? I only made one point, which you agreed with.
My question is how you can harmonize your comments with what happened. My question is 'where do they differ'? As usual I have no idea what you think we're arguing about.
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