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xongsmith Member Posts: 2207 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 3.1
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Way back in Message 100 of the Where did you get your Alias? thread, I posted this on 9/23/2009, repeated here:
Nowadays, the google doesn't get the same result, but i have done a few things recently. Here is an image from an example game played on October 17th, 2021: ![]() Clicking on it makes a big image. The first move was the Red Leg in the top left corner, the 2nd was the Blue Boomerang in the top right corner, the 3rd was the Propeller at the right side. The Wiggle, Bowl (upside down here) and Chair (tipped on its back) were next, left to right along the bottom. Then the Red X was put in the top right corner, killing 2 of Blue's future hopes up there. Then the Blue Gull Wings were put in the 5-hex paw print up left. Turn 9, the Dipper, was placed above the Blue Chair. This was probably a mistake, but it was too early to tell. Next to come would be the House and 2-pronged Fork. I have 9 more images of this game, and an html file that many sites do not let me upload. I wonder if there is any interest here? Edited by xongsmith, : missed "of" in first sentence "I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." - xongsmith, 5.7d
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Phat Member Posts: 15931 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
Anyway, it looks cool. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 6621 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
I'd like to see this.
Went back to your Message 100 but the links are broken. Any others? Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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ringo Member Posts: 19516 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.9 |
I'm not a big fan of abstract games. I like some kind of analogy to reality - e.g. I prefer chess to checkers (though I'm really bad at it). "I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2207 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 3.1 |
The problem is that the java code was deprecated and now it wont compile with the new shit, nor tell me why.
To get around that I saved the old java library, the 1.7.0_45. Attempts to relocate that old version were fruitless, so i may have the last copies. however, it does take a whopping 278 megabytes. The woodxong.java, .class and all the little attendant files take all together under 1 megabyte more. I was able to upload that stuff to my google drive and anyone is free to download it. You'll need a spare ~300 megs or so somewhere: All the little files are dated 2013 or earlier. java 1.7.0_45 library and its appletviewer program are all under the java subdirectory there. i also have the 10 pictures as "exrx211017bN.jpg" where N goes from 1 to A up there. Down on my pc today, right now, i have 271 *.xng files which take up 976,920 bytes. So each game file is about 3,600 bytes. one jpg is about 115,000 bytes, quite a factor up from the ascii unix-style file to a picture of the game! but if you just download everything into a new xong directory on your pc, then you can run pathname/xong/x xongname where pathname is the path on your pc to where you made the xong subdirectory xongname is name of the game file without the ".xng" suffix which is supplied by x.bat. I am using rxYYMMDDa, rxYYMMDDb, rxYYMMDDc and so on. The most test games i've played in one day is 5, so that was rx211022e.xng For example, we could play an email game with xongname something "nateAZPaul". when you receive an email, there should be the ~3,600 byte game attached, named "nateAZPaul.xng". save it to your xong directory, exit email. Open a command prompt window and change your current directory to your xong directory. Now type
for example. You should see a window open with the randomly generated board we are using throughout this whole game and, up in the right corner, a floating, dragable xoid that your opponent sent to you. You place it where it fits and seal it with the "commit" button. Now you make a new xoid by hitting empty legs attached in the shape of your desired xoid, hit the "give" button in the upper right, hit the "send" button at the bottom left to update your file, then close the game window. Then email your opponent with the file attached. I really wanted this game to be able to play over the net, like the incredible GoPanda2 go game server, but it was beyond my capability to code that. So email it is! If you or anyone goes to the google drive site and downloads that stuff, let me know! Either good news or bad news! Edited by xongsmith, : clarity "I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." - xongsmith, 5.7d
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2207 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 3.1 |
but no one seems to want to try.
"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." - xongsmith, 5.7d
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Percy Member Posts: 20709 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 2.4
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I downloaded it a few days ago but don't know when I'll have a chance to look at it.
--Percy
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2207 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 3.1 |
Thank you, Percy...
there are many little attendant files. woodxong.java, woodxong.class, woodxong.html are the main program. eee.xng, xave.xng, n.txt, xongbg.jpg are needed. xoid.txt is a useful text file showing a beastiary of some 50 xoids. xongrules.txt has the 7 rules. for windows users, x.bat is the batch file that runs the whole show.
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2207 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 3.1 |
Figure 2
Following the first 9, the next pieces coming out are five more 5-ers, touching 5 hexagons each. The House, the Fork, the Bird, the Crawler and the Little Bear. At Turn 15, Blue was usually giving the Rooster to Red and then at 16 Red would come up with the first Seasnake, but this time Blue held the Rooster back and instead constructed the first Seasnake...: ![]() Figure 3 ![]() Edited by xongsmith, : fixup sentences. "I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." - xongsmith, 5.7d
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2207 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 3.1 |
Perhaps the Beastiary is in order:
Edited by xongsmith, : spacing Edited by xongsmith, : spacing "I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." - xongsmith, 5.7d
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2207 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 3.1 |
Figure 4: Red was taken aback, but eventually came up with a net 3 point snake of his own on the left wall. It took awhile to make, with many false roads:
![]() Figure 5: They traded snakes back and forth with Red just a bit behind. Blue was devious with his cashing a robotic 2 with Red's Xoid at the lower left: ![]() Edited by xongsmith, : more clarity "I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." - xongsmith, 5.7d
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2207 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 3.1 |
Figure 6: Then they traded 5-ers again. Blue gave Red the Stickleback and Red gave Blue the Doggie:
![]() Edited by xongsmith, : correction "I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." - xongsmith, 5.7d
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2207 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 3.1 |
Figure 7 has them intensely swordfighting. Now Blue had a conundrum with those 4 empty hexes marching down the middle moyo. However the piece Blue came up with for Red touched 4 of his own and added 1 for Red but gave him 2 back for a net of 3. This was probably the winning move of the game. Red then discovered the 9-legger straight Xoid could only fit along the lower portion and was 4 for 1, netting 3 as well. He festooned it with 2 legs pointing up into the moyo. But time was running out:
![]() Edited by xongsmith, : correction Edited by xongsmith, : clarity Edited by xongsmith, : clarity Edited by xongsmith, : oops, 7 "I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." - xongsmith, 5.7d
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2207 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 3.1 |
Figure 8:
The writing was on the wall. Blue found the right corner was the only place that could accommodate the Dripping Froglegs, giving 3 to Red. So Red was given sente' (initiative into the large moyo space) having possession of the designing of the Xoid Blue would have to play, but he was down 1 point (4 - the 3 points) with 3 places left on the board - the middle one being a big move, since anything fitting in the other 2 could also score more in it. After much analysis he basically threw in the towel with a surprisingly good, but too late, unique Xoid at the Build of Move 24. The Ell was already creating brain havoc before Turn 24, and Red had to watch out for getting stuck with the Cee in the top left for a net of only 1 with his design of 24: ![]() Figure 9: You can see what Red came up with for Move 24: ![]() Edited by xongsmith, : forgot a pic Edited by xongsmith, : No reason given. Edited by xongsmith, : clean up Edited by xongsmith, : make that 1 pt "I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." - xongsmith, 5.7d
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2207 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 3.1 |
Figure 10: Now it would end Red-Blue-Red with Red having to give the Xong Point to Blue. Now Blue gave Red the Ell and he could play it up top, only to give Blue the final 5 point move because the Ell in the lower right would be neutralized at 1 point each. Red played it in the lower right for 2 and gave Blue the Horse (upside down, on its back) for 3. This meant Blue would have to give Red the final 5 point move. Move 24 could have left off the hex-killing leg at its top right extent, but Red saw that Blue could then give him the Table in there and Red would kill 4 and give away 1 for a net of 3, so that is why Move 24 was good. Now Blue had to give Red more than the Little Bear, which was used at move 12, or the Fork at Move 11, and thus Red would kill the lower left Blue. Take the 2 over the 3 to get the 5, or 7-3 instead of 3-5. After playing the Cee in the moyo, Red could not give Blue any new Xoid, so he gave him the Xong Point:
![]() I hope this was interesting! The terms used, sente' and moyo come from the game of Go. In Xong a sort-of Ko fight issues when the 2 sides trade longish pieces that cannot fit in the moyo until eventually one side gets to go in. Red was too clustered along the right side and Blue easily found the Seasnake at Move 15 in Figure 3. Similarily Blue was too close together along the left side. Perhaps the subtle nature of these spacing problems will lead to a better understanding of the game of Xong. Edited by xongsmith, : clarity Edited by xongsmith, : clarity "I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." - xongsmith, 5.7d
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