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Message 1 of 232 (122872)
07-08-2004 2:22 AM


Could something, say a low radiation dose, or such cause the quickened death of some creatures, yet be of little enough effect on 'higher life'? If men were here, as well as mammals, dinos, etc. all at the same time, would this possibly have the effect that the cambrian type creatures would die off? (even if for the sake of arguement, it took a while)
Where would such a deadly effect come from? I have some ideas. I'm trying to hold off harping on them, to possibly avoid getting this thread put in the faith/belief area.

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Message 2 of 232 (122873)
07-08-2004 3:05 AM


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Message 3 of 232 (122886)
07-08-2004 4:26 AM
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arkathon writes:

Could something, say a low radiation dose, or such cause the quickened death of some creatures, yet be of little enough effect on 'higher life'?


Define "higher life".

Perhaps you could give us some of your ideas (with proper support of course) so that we can speculate on how such event could be possible.


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Message 4 of 232 (122887)
07-08-2004 4:38 AM


there is almost no concievable way that something would kill off all of certain kinds of life and none of other kinds. we'd certainly have found an example of one of the "higher" more modern forms of life in cambrian strata, for instance.

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Message 5 of 232 (122949)
07-08-2004 11:02 AM
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07-08-2004 2:22 AM


First, can we get some information from you so that we can be sure we are all talking about the same thing.

  • What critters and things died off during each of the Cambrian Extinctions?
  • Why did no flowering plants die during the whole period?
  • Why did no dinosaurs die during the whole period?
  • Why did no men die during the whole period?
  • Why did no grasses die during the whole period?
  • Why did no birds die during the whole period?
  • Why did no mammals die during the whole period?
  • Why did no reptiles die during the whole period?


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Message 6 of 232 (122971)
07-08-2004 11:34 AM
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Arkathon,

So you accept that the stratigraphic ordering is a reality, then?

Mark


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Message 7 of 232 (122993)
07-08-2004 12:22 PM
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quote:
Could something, say a low radiation dose, or such cause the quickened death of some creatures, yet be of little enough effect on 'higher life'?

Unless the surviving creatures surrounded themselves in a heavy metal, no. In fact, bacteria would seem to be the ones best able to survive the effects of radiation given there sheer numbers and ability to quickly adapt through mutation. In fact, there is a strain of bacteria that can live on X-Ray equipment in hospitals. This bug has the best DNA repair mechanisms known in nature. If anything the "higher lifeforms" would be the first to go.


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Message 8 of 232 (123134)
07-09-2004 12:25 AM
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weak and strong
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there is almost no concievable way that something would kill off all of certain kinds of life and none of other kinds

"almost" I like that! Seems to me at first boo, that if A rhinoceros and a baby kangaroo were subject to things, say, great heat, lack of food for several days, intense radiation, etc, that the adult rhino would likely come out better in most scenarios! A mother who drinks alchohol while pregnant a lot, may hurt the coming child, say more than she would hurt herself. Now these poor little soft bodied organisms, and trilobites, and such, why, who knows how that some global force could have either killed many of them (yes, without killing Adam, or Noah, etc, or even the dinos, etc)--or, began a process, whereby they would not live all that long as they might have if the force had not come!
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we'd certainly have found an example of one of the "higher" more modern forms of life in cambrian strata, for instance.

Not necassarily, if the split caused a measure of something on ewrth that affected the cambrian types more than humans, or larger lifeforms, or at least more impervious lifeforms to the particular force in question.

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Message 9 of 232 (123137)
07-09-2004 12:28 AM
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07-08-2004 12:22 PM


cockcroaches and bacteria not cambrian?
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In fact, there is a strain of bacteria that can live on X-Ray equipment in hospitals

No doubt, but how many trilobites are sticking there, or even slugs? Notice how these nice girls (or men, as the case may be) tell us there is nothing to worry about, then bolt for the other room, before you can say, 'is your head glowing yet?'ha

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Message 10 of 232 (123139)
07-09-2004 12:32 AM
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07-08-2004 11:34 AM


pattern at least
Mark, there seems to be something to stratigraphic ordering that begs a better answer than that currently being served up. I don't know if the ordering is quite as 100% absolute as some evos seem to feel, but there does seem to be the pattern globally that could use a fresh look.

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Message 11 of 232 (123144)
07-09-2004 12:45 AM
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07-08-2004 11:02 AM


Why, why why, indeed. To get a good answer there, it seems we need some information on the conditions that were present in a world before the flood. Why, I sometimes wondered, did God need Eden as a place to live for Adam and Eve? What was the rest of the world like? We know one thing, at least, there were no people in all the world, except in that there garden! Were there any mammals? Were there many mammals? Was most of the world a sort of swamp full of cambrian type thingies? We really don't know! Apparently many feel there was no rain, but a watering or kind of daily dew, or mist. What if most or all of the men, mammals, birds, and dinos were in or near Eden at this early period? That alone would explain a lot! Why didn't men die in this period? Well, if Adam and Eve didn't eat the fruit, I guess they would never have died. The serpent said something like 'you will not surely die'! In other words, right away! But they started to at that moment! Still, in men's case, they lived on to close to a thousand years even after that, in such a near perfect world. I wouldn't be at all surprised that the reason so many creatures got so big, was they also lived greater lifespans than today. So they had time to grow big! (8 foot beavers, 1 foot dragonflys, huge dinos, etc)

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Message 12 of 232 (123145)
07-09-2004 12:45 AM
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in and out of Eden
Why, why why, indeed. To get a good answer there, it seems we need some information on the conditions that were present in a world before the flood. Why, I sometimes wondered, did God need Eden as a place to live for Adam and Eve? What was the rest of the world like? We know one thing, at least, there were no people in all the world, except in that there garden! Were there any mammals? Were there many mammals? Was most of the world a sort of swamp full of cambrian type thingies? We really don't know! Apparently many feel there was no rain, but a watering or kind of daily dew, or mist. What if most or all of the men, mammals, birds, and dinos were in or near Eden at this early period? That alone would explain a lot! Why didn't men die in this period? Well, if Adam and Eve didn't eat the fruit, I guess they would never have died. The serpent said something like 'you will not surely die'! In other words, right away! But they started to at that moment! Still, in men's case, they lived on to close to a thousand years even after that, in such a near perfect world. I wouldn't be at all surprised that the reason so many creatures got so big, was they also lived greater lifespans than today. So they had time to grow big! (8 foot beavers, 1 foot dragonflys, huge dinos, etc)

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Message 13 of 232 (123163)
07-09-2004 1:13 AM
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Re: in and out of Eden
LMAO.

In other words, you have absolutely no answers. Now why does that not surprise me.


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Message 14 of 232 (123170)
07-09-2004 1:31 AM
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Re: in and out of Eden
You seem to be unable to perceive them at least. Amazing really, to me.

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Message 15 of 232 (123173)
07-09-2004 1:40 AM
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Re: in and out of Eden
There are eight very simple questions in Message 5 that you have still not answered.


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