As I understand the concepts of IDs and Creationist, they say that life (to include all of the universe, atoms, quarks, etc) is too WONDERFUL and complex to have evolved by itself. Just to provide an easy reference, call this the wonderful theory.
One method of testing a theory it to see how it holds up when applied to others subjects. Letâ€™s apply this wonderful theory to god with the assumption that the theory is valid. God is indeed too wonderful and complex to have evolved by itself or his-self if you prefer.
Lets make the obvious explicit. According to the wonderful theory, god had to have been helped along by his own god. Well where did that god come from? The answer is that when the wonderful theory is applied to god, it shows that god cannot exist. So something is wrong here?
I see two possibilities:
1. The wonderful theory is right. This means that god cannot exist because it is not possible for there to be creator of god. That creator would have the same restriction, as would his creator, ad nauseum.
2. The wonderful theory is wrong. The basic premise of ID and creationism is wrong. To say that our wonderfulness and complexity imply a god is patently false.
So which is it? Are there more possibilities that I have omitted?
I read the first reply in the context that the reviewer did not agree with my position and did not care to promote it. I understand your position on not debating here. As you can determine, I am not fond of the creationist point of view. I find their fundamental tennant to be self contradictory and that that contradition should be brought out and discussed.
I have been carrying this converstation on with someone close to me (I don't want to publicly engage him until he is willing so "he" will do for now.) and on his end, he ignores my position saying there are some things that just cannot be known. That is a major part of the problem. The fact that he will not even address the question of the origin of god is an indicator that his creationist beliefs have a problem. We can no longer allow people to blithely ignore positions they cannot support.
I wish to prosecute this positon. I don't know how else to post this but will think about it and am open to suggestions.