Proving God's Existence Undermines Faith

This thought occurred to me recently, and its a new subject matter for me, so please be patient.On the attempt of creationists (and some IDers) to discredit evolution and prove the existence of God:As far as I know, the existence of God is based on faith. Faith being that you believe in what you can't see or prove, e.g. blind trust.It would seem to me that those trying to prove God's existence have a weakness in faith. The reasoning here is: if they have to have proof that God exists in order to believe in Him, or in order to stregthen their belief in Him, they are undermining the concept of faith.As physical proof or evidence (the type science is concerned with and the creationists use to prove His existence) does not require faith, and if one must have this proof for one's faith, then does this not undermine their faith?This message has been edited by kuresu, 05-02-2006 04:07 PMThis message has been edited by AdminPD, 05-09-2006 04:51 PMThis message has been edited by kuresu, 05-09-2006 05:35 PM

I'm not sure what you are going for here.The title is "The Purpose of Faith" but I don't see how the body of the post deals with the purpose of faith.You ask for possible counters, but counters to what?If you can help me understand what you are trying to convey, I can give better suggestions for your opening argument.

the counters are counters as to why creationists are trying to prove God's existence if not for a lack of faith on their part.I'm trying to show that faith is used for things like religion, and that attempts to prove the unseen (e.g. God) only weaken faith.If the God's existence is proven, then why believe? This would seem to undermine the creationist (as well as all religous persons) position.

While I think about this, have you checked out the thread: Why God Uses Faith? If not, read through it and see if they have touched on your subjects.I'll get back to you tomorrow concerning your topic.

I'm not inclined to promote this topic since I feel what you are wishing to dicuss can be done in the Why God Uses Faith thread.I will leave this open until Wednesday to allow for your response or another Admin to overturn my decision.

so far as I can tell, that thread does not deal with the dreationists having a lack of faith because they are trying to prove God's existence to non-believers.I've gotten about halfway through it, and so fat it's focused on Thomas the doubter, not my OP, if I've understood correctly.Again, my OP is this (simplified)
an attempt to prove God's existence undermines faith.not:
why does he use faithnow to finish reading that threadedit: finished the thread. It moved to a debate between Legend and Faith, then with your intervention back to the OP--why does He use faith. I still think my OP is different enough from this, as it doesn't ask why He uses faith, but rather questions the faith of creationists as I understand faith.This message has been edited by kuresu, 05-09-2006 04:46 PM

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an attempt to prove God's existence undermines faith.

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That would be a better title: "Proving God's Existence Undermines Faith" rather than "The Purpose of Faith."I don't see that your OP really addresses the purpose of faith. Rework it focusing on your simplified idea and I'll take another look.Counters will come naturally in the discussion, I don't see the need to ask for them.Let me know when you want me to look again.

i edited right after your post. about a minute after your post came up.I don't know how to change the title, so i'll start a new topic, if that's okay, with the rework of course.

Don't start a new topic, I can change the title.
I'll read it now.
Thanks

that worksAs far as I know, the existence of God is based on faith. Faith being that you believe in what you can't see or prove, e.g. blind trust.Physical proof, or evidence (the type science is concerned with and the creationists use to prove His existence), does not require faith.It would seem to me that those trying to prove God's existence have a weakness in faith. My reasoning is this:evidence does not require faith, but belief in God does. Using evidence to support faith then undermines the nature of faith. This in turn means that those tryping to empirically prove God have a weakness of faith.(it's a little muddled, i'm having just a touch of difficulty trying to word it correctly)

I still recommend leaving off the counters. Let them develop with the discussion.If you leave off the counters, I will promote it.

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