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Buzsaw
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Message 1 of 24 (131481)
08-07-2004 11:58 PM


1. Some of this focuses on that tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the garden. Why did God put it there? Could it be that he, being all knowing, knew what would happen, but allowed it to happen for the good of the whole universe?
2. Why did God put it in Eden? A possible answer to this may be because of the mystery of evil in the universe and why it exists. Another factor may be in the matter of free will both on earth and throughout the rest of the universe. Evidently Satan and the angels who rebelled with him had that capacity of free will.
3. Could the reason the forbidden tree was put on earth lie in the fact of evil and the great rebellion of Satan and the multitudes of heavenly angels he deceived into his rebellion.
4. God's remedy to quell this rebellion may be the reason he created the earth in the first place and why the tree was placed in the garden.
Could the answer to the topic question lie in that God was preparing a trap and a [i]battleground[/] for the ultimate demise of the enemy of the universe by creation of planet earth? According to the scriptures this tiny speck in the universe called earth will be where Satan and all his angels will be cast, where he will be ultimately chained and cast into a bottomless pit prison for a thousand years, and where he will eventually be weakened to the point that a strong angel will bind him and cast him into Gehenna, the eternal lake of fire.
What think ye?

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

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Message 2 of 24 (131506)
08-08-2004 1:30 AM


Thread moved here from the Proposed New Topics forum.
edited thread to fix a small problem with the title - the Queen
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almeyda
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Message 3 of 24 (131518)
08-08-2004 2:41 AM


The tree was put in to test man. You cant give man freewill by limiting his choice to do wrong, which he did. To choose poorly, which he did. And yes i do believe God knew what would happen. I believe it was part of his plan. To test mankind of every generation until judgement day. To see who would stay faithful and who would choose Satan and evil over God and righteousness. And vice versa. Theres so much to life, so much to enjoy that we forget that God has only one thing on his mind, which is his eternal plan.

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sidelined
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Message 4 of 24 (131530)
08-08-2004 3:37 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by almeyda
08-08-2004 2:41 AM


almeyda
The tree was put in to test man. You cant give man freewill by limiting his choice to do wrong, which he did
Certainly you have back up of this in scripture as shown in these verses.
Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
But then we are left to wonder the purpose of that other tree as God states here.
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
First of all we are told that Adam may eat of any tree of the garden except for the tree of the knowlegde of good and evil.ANY tree EXCEPT one.That said why then was there a tree of life in the garden? The tree of life was not a restricted tree.And if we go with the idea that since they now knew the good and evil they could not be allowed to partake of the tree of life that would indicate that God DID NOT know what would happen.There is no sense in making a tree that you know the fruit of can never be consumed.

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CK
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Message 5 of 24 (131543)
08-08-2004 7:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
08-07-2004 11:58 PM


[qs]Could the answer to the topic question lie in that God was preparing a trap and a [i]battleground[/] for the ultimate demise of the enemy of the universe by creation of planet earth? According to the scriptures this tiny speck in the universe called earth will be where Satan and all his angels will be cast, where he will be ultimately chained and cast into a bottomless pit prison for a thousand years, and where he will eventually be weakened to the point that a strong angel will bind him and cast him into Gehenna, the eternal lake of fire.[/qs]
It's a nice fantasy story, but the idea compounds some of the problems that the christian god has always had.
Why does God need to set traps? Why does he need to wait for the devil to be weaken? Is your faith in god not very strong? don't you think he could destroy Satan now?
More importantly, if it's a trap, how have you figured it out? To realise that it's a trap you must be as clever as God. Think about this, if that's true, you've just alerted Satan and his angels to the trap. You have just damned everyone on the planet.
If you say "ahah! God is all-powerful and can overcome" well, what do we need the trap for......
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sidelined
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Message 6 of 24 (131608)
08-08-2004 1:12 PM
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08-08-2004 2:41 AM


edit to remove double post
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sidelined
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Message 7 of 24 (131609)
08-08-2004 1:13 PM
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08-08-2004 2:41 AM


almeyda
You cant give man freewill by limiting his choice to do wrong, which he did.
You cannot accuse Adam and Eve of exercising choice{and therefore freewill} when they had no knowledge of right and wrong until they ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

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jar
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Message 8 of 24 (131620)
08-08-2004 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by almeyda
08-08-2004 2:41 AM


What is evil about the knowledge of good and evil?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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SpeakTruths4gottonVoice
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Message 9 of 24 (131677)
08-08-2004 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
08-07-2004 11:58 PM


reply
i just read that part of the bible and i think perhaps i might know a reason. i simply think that, after creating this new race, maybe GOD was just interested to see how humans would react to it? i donno.....just a thought......

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almeyda
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Message 10 of 24 (131713)
08-08-2004 9:54 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by jar
08-08-2004 2:04 PM


quote:
What is evil about the knowledge of good and evil?
With our eyes open. Our eyes would be open to all things in the light of our own sinfulness. Mankind wants to live without God. He wants to be independent of God and his rules. There has always been a temptation to be like God.
Sin is potrayed in scripture as falling short of the glory of God, going astray and even trespassing (exercising our own free-will in the realm of divine authority). The desire to do things our way rather than Gods way is considered a sin. The problem with the sin-nature of man was that Adam and Eve knew good, but were unable to do it, and they knew evil, but were unable to resist it. If God DOES exist then there are no ifs or buts about it. Sin is a personal insult to God and his character therefore his holiness demands sin to be judged. But through Jesus Christ we can escape sin and the judgement of sin.

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jar
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Message 11 of 24 (131723)
08-08-2004 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by almeyda
08-08-2004 9:54 PM


That's a cute story almeyda except it doesn't answer the question that I asked.
What is evil about the knowledge of good and evil?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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almeyda
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Message 12 of 24 (131724)
08-08-2004 10:34 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by jar
08-08-2004 10:30 PM


Because knowing good and evil means you can also perform evil. But evil is contrary to Gods rules. This means that man can murder, be sexually immoral, blaspheme God and every other sin there is. If man did not have knowledge of this. He would be living pure and holy like God right?

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Coragyps
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Message 13 of 24 (131725)
08-08-2004 10:38 PM
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08-08-2004 10:34 PM


If man did not have knowledge of this. He would be living pure and holy like God right?
Surely he'd do all sorts of stuff with no thought that it was "wrong" or evil.

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jar
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Message 14 of 24 (131727)
08-08-2004 10:48 PM
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08-08-2004 10:34 PM


You still have not explained what is evil about knowing good and evil.
If a man murdered someone but did not know it was murder, is it not evil?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Coragyps
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Message 15 of 24 (131734)
08-08-2004 11:28 PM
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08-08-2004 10:34 PM


He would be living pure and holy like God right?
Ask the next Amekalite you see about this part. Or some child from Ai.

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