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Author Topic:   Misrepresentations of Neanderthals
NosyNed
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06-22-2005 1:46 PM


In another thread:
Message 31

We continued a discussion of evolutionist "frauds". Randman suggests that the depiction of neanderthals has been dishonest in some fashion.

This thread is to discuss that issue. Anyone who wishs to copy previously posted material here should do so.


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06-23-2005 2:49 AM
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Ned, I just saw this, but may not be able time-wise to jump in for awhile.

I would ask anyone interested to honestly ask themselves how Neanderthals were presented to them. Were they presented as subhuman, or as just people?

Maybe later we can discuss whether Neanderthal skulls have been put together wrongly due to assuming they should be more ape-like. I think the post detailing the x-ray comparisions of the child Neanderthal skulls with the plaster casts they supposedly represented the skulls was informative.


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Message 3 of 7 (218925)
06-23-2005 9:46 AM
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Neanderthal
I would ask anyone interested to honestly ask themselves how Neanderthals were presented to them. Were they presented as subhuman, or as just people?

What does 'subhuman' mean? What does 'people' mean? They were presented to me as very closely related to human (and indeed were once contemporary with humans), but with the distinctive brow and sloping foreheads. When I first encountered them I believe there was some speculation that they were in some ways superior to humans but they were driven to extinction nevertheless.


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06-23-2005 10:04 AM
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Re: Neanderthal
There may well be distinct differences in how this question might be answered based upon the age of the respondent. How neanderthals are represented or percieved both publicly and in the scientific literature has changed over the decades. So while 20 or 30 years ago you might have been given an impression of an ape-man, and possibly a violent one just think of how 'neanderthal' is used as a dergoatory term, now the representation is more of a parrallel lineage of man with a developing culture, and often one represented as having been victimised and driven to extinction by anatomically modern man.

This hasn't been due to overcomng of some hidden evolutionist agenda, simply due to the continual accummulation of more evidence about neanderthal society and anatomy.

TTFN,

WK


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Message 5 of 7 (218928)
06-23-2005 10:12 AM
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I would ask anyone interested to honestly ask themselves how Neanderthals were presented to them. Were they presented as subhuman, or as just people?

Honestly? As subhuman caveman who grunted, carried clubs and dressed in clothes - violent and stupid. However these representations were always given to me by the media not by scientists.

The first scientific representations I remember coming across depicted Neanderthals as being humanish in some traits but lacking in others. They were certainly not "just people". There's a lot of speculation, of course, but the accounts I've read have always been careful to seperate the evidence and the deductions. (For example, that they dead have apparently been burried is evidence but that they had religion is a deduction - that they used primitive stone tools notably inferior to those of Cro Magnon man is evidence but that this means they were either less intelligent or less creative than modern humans is deduction).


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Message 6 of 7 (219037)
06-23-2005 2:45 PM
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They were presented as one of the earlier hominids.


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Message 7 of 7 (219309)
06-24-2005 11:13 AM
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Neanderthal v CroMagnon skulls
Neanderthal vs Cro Magnon skulls - PBS has a great interactive, side by side comparison of the two skull types.


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