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mike the wiz
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Message 1 of 2 (194388)
03-25-2005 8:51 AM


Hugh Ross or Ken Ham? Who is an evo to believe? Is MTW a Hugh Ross or a Ken Ham? ANswer; neither.
I've heard a lot about me lately. It seems to be the usual suspects. Buz, me and maybe another creo.
I know that we are the creo's that stick around, so to speak. But I think we're different animals in that we are essentially left to wonder and devise our own opinions about Genesis, because God wasn't taking part in an encyclopedia of science when wanting Moses to write down some stuff. WHy this topic is so important simply baffles me. At this stage I'm inclined to not care whether a distant monkey was my relative or not, as long as God was the cause of it all.
It's like Percy and Minemoose said, in the topic, "The Current Accepted Ideas of Creation Science?".
I think there's some confusion as to who we are. But I concede that it is true that we are all different from each other (creos). I think Buz takes Genesis literally. Something about the four days. And it's true that we all have our own groups and even idiosyncrasies some of us. YECs and OECs, etc. Flat-earthers and general conspiracy theorists.
I think the problem is that we aren't the same for merely sharing a belief in the bible. That's what we share, belief that the bible is true whether literally or not so literally.
I personally have earned the name "creationist" because of some confusion over my position from myself! Can you believe that! But I don't think you guys should put creationists on the dart board as someone to aim at. If anything, our differences show that we are not all creo clones with the same arguments. I for example, don't have any set criteria as to how God created the universe. I will, somewhat pantheistically, basically settle for the accepted science of the current age more or less. Yet I believe God "created".
Please don't fall for the undistributed middle because of our shared name-tag. Here's a classic example of that fallacy;
If Bush believes in God, and you are a believer then you and Bush are the same animal, so God would vote Bush so you must.
This is invalid because me and Bush ONLY share belief in God, and I or anyone else can believe in God without voting for any particular person. So if you're a believer, it doesn't mean you're a Bushie. Now also nobody can say as to who God would vote for, but I won't go off topic.
Likewise, I am a creationist but that doesn't mean I'm Ken Ham, I'm a completely different animal. I'm not a YEC SHraff. I WAS
So then you might say, "but then if their stories don't match, then why believe them".
My honest answer is that you can still believe in what we truly share, --> belief in the God of the bible, of which there is no different position pertaining to creationism. Nor do the words in Genesis change with time, even if creationist's positions do. So look to God, not us. We are imperfect.

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03-25-2005 5:49 PM


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