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Author Topic:   Is Christ cruel? (For member Schrafinator)
J. Davis 
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Message 1 of 2 (213001)
06-01-2005 8:59 AM


Hi, I've lurked here a month or so and I hope this is an apropriate topic to start out with. I didn't like the ideas that Christ is cruel, and thought this incorrect.
Dear Shcraffinator, Christ isn't immoral or cruel, you have it the wrong way.
It seems Monk hasn't gone in depth as to why you're wrong, but I don't want you to believe your post is true about God. Because you're wrong, you can't blame God for your sin, you have a choice, which I will reveal;
Schrafinator writes:
Presumably, the all-powerful, all-knowing God made me with a skeptical mind, correct?
If he knew I would be exposed to the Gospels and find them lacking, then he basically created me only to let me burn in hell for eternity.
If this is true, then He is cruel, vindictive, and lacking in morality and is not worthy of my praise.
Not that I want to turn this into a free will thread, but either God is a cruel god or he isn't really all powerful
There is no "skeptical mind" Schraf. YOU who CHOSE skepticism, a philosophy of mankind and therefore you created a skeptical mind for yourself, not God. There is the mind(A), that makes choices-->(B). Even I think skeptically about things, yet believe, so there is a false dichotomy here, in that you say God is either cruel or not powerful. But since that's built on the assumption that he created you to not believe, then I think that assumption is false. The third option is that God can be all-powerful yet has chosen to give you the choice of belief/disbelief.
Christ said those who rejected him, another would judge them, that he came to save the world, not judge. He also said those who rejected him are condemned already because they have not believed in the only begotten Son of God. He didn't create you to send you to hell. You're argument is;
God caused skeptical shraff so she'd go to hell. = God is cruel or hasn't got enough power in his engine.
The truth is that God made Schraff(A) and she has sinned like everyone else on earth, she has her own will to choose as to whether to reject or accept the truth(B), and therefore chooses whether to believe(D) in the only begotten Son or not(E). (E) will leave you un-atoned for, which is all I can say. At best, I can say - you won't have atonement for your wrong-doings in life, and I thereby delicately warn you of that reality.
As for your fallacy of limited choices, (2), there is not really a choice between God being cruel and not really all powerful, as God's capabilities are not dependent upon your choices in life. Feel free to get back to me. Sorry to pick on you, but I feel your post deserved my attention. I hope you can see, that God makes us all with minds to choose for ourselves. God isn't cruel, you just have to lay down your own worldy wisdom and believe, like many skeptics have done, can and do!

AdminBrian
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Message 2 of 2 (213002)
06-01-2005 9:02 AM


Thread copied to the Is Christ cruel? (For member Schrafinator) thread in the Faith and Belief forum, this copy of the thread has been closed.

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