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Faithful Servant
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Message 1 of 6 (402607)
05-28-2007 9:34 PM


As I go about the internet following the ongoing debate between evolutionist and creationists, there is one concept I never seem to come across. There seems to be so much evidence in favor of evolutionism and not so much in the way of rock-hard fact when it comes to creationism, mainly because religion is about faith and not fact. But, there is one area that believers (or Christians, to be more accurate) have up their sleeve, and it's an area that neither evolutionists nor scientists have been able to even touch, while being the one area the Bible, Jesus Christ and God focus on the most. The heart. The mind. Consciousness. Whatever you wanna call it, that little part of humanity that gives us the ability to analyze, think and create. Our minds have a capacity for understanding that is far and away leagues above and beyond any other so-called "species" that, comparing us to animals begins to sound preposterous. And no one can explain it. For all of science's "physical" evidence, they can say absolutely nothing of the one thing that makes us who we are, because it has no "physical" properties to speak of. And it's the one thing EVERYBODY belives in. Why can't scientists account for this "unseen" aspect of life that we all know is there? Might it be because it is the ESSENCE of something else? Something greater than our "physical" bodies can detect? No one, it seems, can say. But, there was one who lived, who laid out exactly what this "unseen property" of humanity was, how it came about, and what happens to it in the end. His name was Jesus Christ. His revelation about this aspect of humanity was so great that, no one has been able to touch it since. Sure, many scholars and philosophers waxed poetic about what they "belived", but none of them were as clear and consice as he was. He spoke with authority about the condition of sin, right and wrong, and the hearts of men, and every single person living can attest to the truths about the inherent evil in the world because of sin, and that little "something" inside us that has a desire to do right. So, for what might be the first time (at least for me), let's us sit down and talk about this aspect of humanity that, at the very least, all of us belive exists in one form or another.

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Message 2 of 6 (402609)
05-28-2007 9:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Faithful Servant
05-28-2007 9:34 PM


Hello, Faithful Servant, and welcome aboard.
I may leave consideration of your topic's promotion to one of the more philosophical admins - I stay more to science most of the time. But let me raise a point. You wrote
The heart. The mind. Consciousness. Whatever you wanna call it,
Those things aren't the same. "The heart," even metaphorically, isn't "the mind." And neither is the same as "consciousness." I think I can see what you are driving at, but it would be much preferred if you make it clearer - it's your proposed discussion, after all.
You can use the edit button to change your text, or add a new post below. But please put in some paragraph breaks - my old eyes can't keep up.

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Faithful Servant
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Message 3 of 6 (402616)
05-28-2007 10:31 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by AdminCoragyps
05-28-2007 9:58 PM


Absolutely.
The heart, as the bible refers to it, is the nature of an individual (a.k.a Spirit).
The mind is the part of us that thinks, which is led by the heart.
Consciousness is a combination of the two, the concept of existing.
See, the mind (a.k.a Flesh) looks to please the body, and the heart is more concerned with reconciling with God. Therefore there is a constant struggle between the two in children of God, those who are preordained to be saved.
The Flesh and The Spirit. The mind and the heart. Consciousness. The "observer" in us.
This is the way I understand it to be, as the Holy Scriptures explain it. Is that clearer?

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AdminSchraf
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Message 4 of 6 (402617)
05-28-2007 10:41 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Faithful Servant
05-28-2007 10:31 PM


Hello, Faithful Servant, and welcome to EvC.
This is an interesting topic, but I will say that you are making several very debatable claims when you say:
quote:
The heart, as the bible refers to it, is the nature of an individual (a.k.a Spirit).
The mind is the part of us that thinks, which is led by the heart.
Consciousness is a combination of the two, the concept of existing.
See, the mind (a.k.a Flesh) looks to please the body, and the heart is more concerned with reconciling with God. Therefore there is a constant struggle between the two in children of God, those who are preordained to be saved.
In my mind, this topic could be directed in a couple of ways.
If you'd prefer to have a religious/philosophical discussion with no scientific challenges to the claims you've made, then we should put this in Faith and Belief.
However, you have also claimed in your OP that science hasn't approached or discerned much, if anything, regarding consciousness, the mind, etc. If you want to discuss Cognitive and Brain Science, particularly what the state of current research is (becasue there is, in fact, a great deal of Cognitive research going on), then we should put your topic in one of the Science forums.
What kind of discussion do you want to have?
Edited by AdminSchraf, : No reason given.

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Faithful Servant
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Message 5 of 6 (402628)
05-29-2007 12:53 AM
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05-28-2007 10:41 PM


I'm gonna say Faith and Belief, because what I say is heavily influenced by the Bible. But, I'm interested in what the scientific community has to say here also because, even though study is being conducted on cognition, I just don't feel it "measures up" to the accuracy and clarity of the Bible account. But, Faith and Belief is fine.

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AdminCoragyps
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Message 6 of 6 (402647)
05-29-2007 7:46 AM


Thread copied to the A Question of the Heart thread in the Faith and Belief forum, this copy of the thread has been closed.

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