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Lysimachus
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Message 1 of 32 (372864)
12-29-2006 9:48 PM


I ran upon this interesting news report regarding a major Ancient ice shelf that was recently discovered to have broken back in August. I personally believe these are only small little steps to a greater culmination of something much bigger as we approach end-times.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16390346/

“This is a dramatic and disturbing event. It shows that we are losing remarkable features of the Canadian North that have been in place for many thousands of years,” Vincent said. “We are crossing climate thresholds, and these may signal the onset of accelerated change ahead.”

Hmm...what kind of "change"? Notice how he seems to tread softly on that area. I think even he knows that this change may not be a pretty story.

It's the world coming to an end, that's what it really is -- whether people like it or not. All evidence is pointing toward the rising temperatures of the earth. Al-Gore has even done a profound job that the world is headed for a crises.

Will infidels and those with false belief continue to trod upon the warnings and signs of the end? Will they ever wake up and realize "enough is enough with critizing the warning signs we've learned from scripture?"

The chaos that will strike our planet will one day come as a sudden surprise upon the whole world. I do not intend to be a calamity howler, but I believe from the bottom of my heart that many of you here are sleeping. I mean, really sleeping to what's happening. Can you not see that there is a crescendo in natural disasters? What about the statistics coming straight from MSNBC news telling us that 2006 was a world-record in forest fires? Do these mean anything to you?

What is it going to take? Do you ever wonder deep down inside if maybe the Bible is really true? Does your concience deep down inside tell you at all "something is definitely going on". Have you ever stopped to consider: "maybe it's just me...maybe I'm just reading into the scriptures wrong...maybe I'm reading into it the way I wish to read into it so I don't have to follow it?"

Ask yourselves these questions. Your future may hinge upon them.

There is more than terrorism in this world to worry about.

Don't hessitate to disagree with me. Open up and tell me your opinion of what you think all this means.

Edited by Lysimachus, : No reason given.


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Message 2 of 32 (372998)
12-30-2006 12:26 PM
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12-29-2006 9:48 PM


Can you propose a forum for this? I don't know what to suggest except Coffee House, and this might be a little too debated to be a Coffee House thread.

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Lysimachus
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Message 3 of 32 (373314)
01-01-2007 12:31 AM
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12-30-2006 12:26 PM


I think Bible Accuracy and Innerancy, because after all, the subject pertains "does the bible's predictions of calamities and pestilences prove to be true?".

Just my 2 cents. :)


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Message 4 of 32 (373362)
01-01-2007 9:45 AM


Thread moved here from the Proposed New Topics forum.

  
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Message 5 of 32 (373368)
01-01-2007 10:07 AM
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12-29-2006 9:48 PM


“This is a dramatic and disturbing event. It shows that we are losing remarkable features of the Canadian North that have been in place for many thousands of years,” Vincent said. “We are crossing climate thresholds, and these may signal the onset of accelerated change ahead.”

Hmm...what kind of "change"? Notice how he seems to tread softly on that area. I think even he knows that this change may not be a pretty story.

He is treading softly because scientists try not to exceed the bounds of their data...and because there is a large population of global warming deniers--such as right wing evangelicals--eager to depict any warning as overstatement.

Will infidels and those with false belief continue to trod upon the warnings and signs of the end?

Do you refer here to the evangelical Christian leadership in the U.S. which condemned an expression of concern by a few concerned evangelicals as tantamount to "pagan nature worship"?

Will they ever wake up and realize "enough is enough with critizing the warning signs we've learned from scripture?"

Science has provided the warnings: I'd prefer to see "them" wake up and realize that 1 + 1 = 2. "Scripture" readers merely pick the bloody bits they feel they can use.

A long procession of "end-times" prophets--starting with Jesus--have predicted the immiment end. They were all wrong. When someone gets it right, that person likely will be a scientist with good data, not a prophet.


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Message 6 of 32 (373380)
01-01-2007 10:54 AM
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12-29-2006 9:48 PM


First, this is more OLD news.
This particular event happened over a year ago, back in 2005. It is not really that a significant an event and similar to what we have seen in Antarctica for many decades.

A few facts.

The section that broke free is not that old, the ice being around 3000 years old.

The section that broke free drifted a ways and then refroze into the ice pack during winter.

The issue of Global Warming is important and so far no one seems to be doing much to ameliorate any negative impacts it will bring. They seem to spend far more time talking about nonsense issues like "Is it a sign of the End Times" or whether it is caused by man or a natural cycle.


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Message 7 of 32 (373385)
01-01-2007 11:43 AM
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12-29-2006 9:48 PM


What about the statistics coming straight from MSNBC news telling us that 2006 was a world-record in forest fires? Do these mean anything to you?

Yup. It means we're mismanaging our resources. That mismanagement and overexploitation will cause lots of species to go extinct and lots of people to die young, mostly very young. It will require all the science and technology we can possibly wisely apply to ease the pain caused by our messups.

But praying won't help much.


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Message 8 of 32 (373386)
01-01-2007 11:46 AM
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01-01-2007 10:54 AM


Re: First, this is more OLD news.
The issue of Global Warming is important and so far no one seems to be doing much to ameliorate any negative impacts it will bring.

It depends on what you mean by much. I was pleasantly surprised by a couple things I read in the most recent Discover about projected percentages of renewable energy for some developing nations. It could be argued that it's not enough, but it's more than I realized was happening and created more hope than I'd had before. It made me want to go buy stock in companies that make and sell solar panels!

abe: oops, I didn't mean developing nations. I meant US & Europe.

Edited by truthlover, : given


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Message 9 of 32 (373389)
01-01-2007 11:50 AM
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12-29-2006 9:48 PM


Citation please
Pray tell, what chapter and verse of what book of the bible foretells a breaking off of an ice shelf and describes it as a sign of the end-times? If you can show me that, I'll be impressed.


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Message 10 of 32 (373391)
01-01-2007 12:03 PM
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Re: First, this is more OLD news.
There are a few encouraging signs.

What does disappoint me is that I do not see much of a public debate about some key issues. For example, the world today is very dependent on large scale agriculture. Large scale agriculture is very dependent on infrastructure, getting sufficient water to the growing region, large areas of arable land in a given area, sufficient machinery to harvest the crops, adequate transportation to move the product from the place grown to the market and the great hidden requirement, the financial infrastructure need to fund future crops.

All of these are dependent on relative stability over a multi-year period.

This is not the thread to examine such issues, but so much depends on a few basics that I would love to see a thread looking just at one or two of the really basic issues in depth.


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Message 11 of 32 (373436)
01-01-2007 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Lysimachus
12-29-2006 9:48 PM


Biblical Doom and Gloom - Failed prophecies
Lysimachus writes:

Do you ever wonder deep down inside if maybe the Bible is really true?

While ecological damage is and will happen and the earth's systems will be perturbed with rising human population - using the bible as some sort of signpost is useless and perhaps dangerous. For example, the Christian right block in the US are apposed to most environmental causes.

The bible reveals nothing beyond the contemporary state of knowledge when it was written. People work overtime to interpret some scripture having some deep understanding of the physical world, but in the end it requires imagination, ability to create new definitions, and ignore context.

Also the many of the doom and gloom prophecies in both the NT and OT clearly did not happen within the time frame that was clearly and literally written.

Edited by iceage, : added subtitle

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Message 12 of 32 (373497)
01-01-2007 7:16 PM
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12-29-2006 9:48 PM


Do you ever wonder deep down inside if maybe the Bible is really true?

Do you ever wonder if the Bible is a crock?


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Lysimachus
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Message 13 of 32 (373539)
01-01-2007 9:58 PM


Reply to all.
quote:
He is treading softly because scientists try not to exceed the bounds of their data...and because there is a large population of global warming deniers--such as right wing evangelicals--eager to depict any warning as overstatement.

God's not an idiot. Signs of the end are not as a result of "supernatural" occurrences that cause the disasters to ensue. They are perfectly natural. They can still be signs non-the-less...after all, dont' Christians believe that God put the laws of nature into action? A true Christian believes that God does not intentionally cause disasters, rather man is reaping the results of our sin-ridden planet. He withdraws His spirit, and Satan takes over. It's like your armor-bearer leaving you on the battlefield becasue you don't want him. Then the enemy has the advantage over you.

quote:
Do you refer here to the evangelical Christian leadership in the U.S. which condemned an expression of concern by a few concerned evangelicals as tantamount to "pagan nature worship"?

I have no idea what you're talking about. Please explain better.

quote:
A long procession of "end-times" prophets--starting with Jesus--have predicted the immiment end. They were all wrong. When someone gets it right, that person likely will be a scientist with good data, not a prophet.

Oh really? Last time I read, they were all right. And their prophecies apply more to our day than they did their own. I'm nobody's fool. You simply are reading their prophecies wrong. Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Pagan Rome, Papal Rome--Catholacism, the Reign of Terror...it was all prophecied, and it happened to an exact T. If you think all these prophecies failed because of one or two seamingly inconsistencies, you're majoring and minoring my friend. You're completely missing "overall picture", and that's just what Satan wants everyone to do. He delights in it.

quote:
This particular event happened over a year ago, back in 2005. It is not really that a significant an event and similar to what we have seen in Antarctica for many decades.

It's not a significant event, but it could be a smaller event that could be severely linked to a signifcant event.

quote:
The section that broke free is not that old, the ice being around 3000 years old.

And that's not old? For me, a Young Earth Creationist, that is half the age of the earth.

quote:
The section that broke free drifted a ways and then refroze into the ice pack during winter.

I would hope to God that it would freeze in the winter. But what will happen this Summer? Next Winter? The Summer and Winter after that? Will it continue to keep freezing?

quote:
The issue of Global Warming is important and so far no one seems to be doing much to ameliorate any negative impacts it will bring. They seem to spend far more time talking about nonsense issues like "Is it a sign of the End Times" or whether it is caused by man or a natural cycle.

When a prophecy takes place, it will always seem like there are ones at "fault" for allowing it to happen. Yes, when prophecies take place, there are usually people to blame. But that doesn't mean God didn't know what would happen. He already predicted that "man would cause it or natural cycle would cause it". In other words, it was prophecied there would be people to blame, and it was also prophecied that the natural cycle would take place. Just because it's a "natural cycle" doesn't mean anything.

quote:
Yup. It means we're mismanaging our resources. That mismanagement and overexploitation will cause lots of species to go extinct and lots of people to die young, mostly very young. It will require all the science and technology we can possibly wisely apply to ease the pain caused by our messups.

So this makes it not a prophecy? God knowing man would mismanage their resources cannot be a prophecy? He knows how man's minds will work, and what their decisions will cause. Again, a Prophecy is nothing supernatural. It's a foretelling of what's already immanent.

quote:
But praying won't help much.

Praying won't help much if you're asking the future to not come, but praying will help if you ask for God's protection in times of trial.

quote:
Pray tell, what chapter and verse of what book of the bible foretells a breaking off of an ice shelf and describes it as a sign of the end-times? If you can show me that, I'll be impressed.

Who's talking about specifics? It doesn't matter. The Bible talks about calamities or natural disasters. The breaking of an ice-shelf is not a calamity or natural disaster. But it could to what will eventually turn into a calamity or natural disaster. The Bible talks about "signs of the end", yet it does not necessarily describe just what all those signs might be. If it did, that would be too obvious. God doesn't want dummy worshippers for fear of destruction. However, God gave humanity intelligence to infer what might be signs and what might not be.

quote:
While ecological damage is and will happen and the earth's systems will be perturbed with rising human population - using the bible as some sort of signpost is useless and perhaps dangerous. For example, the Christian right block in the US are apposed to most environmental causes.

Well those Christians certainly arn't me. They're simply wrong in the angle their looking at it. They are certainly environmental causes. But these environmental causes can still be prophecies nonetheless. The fall of Babylon was prophecied, but the cause of it's fall was another empire--Persia. Man caused it because God foretold man would cause it. He knows what they'll do, and he knows what the environment will do and what it will cause.

quote:
Do you ever wonder if the Bible is a crock?

Do you ever wonder if it's not? Crashing your head into a computer certainly won't help, fyi. ;)

Edited by Lysimachus, : No reason given.


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Message 14 of 32 (373543)
01-01-2007 10:09 PM
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Apocalyptic Signifigance.
Lysimachus writes:

“This is a dramatic and disturbing event. It shows that we are losing remarkable features of the Canadian North that have been in place for many thousands of years,” Vincent said. “We are crossing climate thresholds, and these may signal the onset of accelerated change ahead.”

Hmm...what kind of "change"? Notice how he seems to tread softly on that area. I think even he knows that this change may not be a pretty story.

It's the world coming to an end, that's what it really is -- whether people like it or not. All evidence is pointing toward the rising temperatures of the earth.

Hi Lysimachus. It's great to see your participation. You are a great asset to creationism here at EvC. :cool:

I have for a long time contended about the significance of global warming as predicted in the prophecies of the Biblical record relative to the end time apocalypse which is emerging in our time.

Imo, this is just the tip of the iceberg as the saying goes. There's going to be a whole lot of super significant broken records regarding weather, seismic activity, and celestial phenomena, et al from now on. We haven't seen nuttin yet!

There is coming so much evaporation from heat that the sun and moon will be about a third dimer according to the prophets. This implies evaporation as well as pollution. The rivers and bodies of water will become reddish, implicating stagnation due to evaporation, drout and heat. Earthquakes and violent storms will increase in intensity and frequency as we already observing. The Euphrates and many other rivers will dry up. Crops will fail big time. On and on I could go. So much has happened since the 1930s and 1940s when I was a child.

For the skeptics, I suggest they consider the corroborating prophecies which are being fulfilled such as the phenomenal return of the Jews to their land to become a nation as prophesied by Jesus and the prophets, the industrial revolution, cultural changes and emergence of world government. Apply these kinds of corroborating phenomenas to global warming and go figure, folks. The Biblical record stands as a reliable guide for explanation of current events and the direction everything appears to be heading.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Message 15 of 32 (373548)
01-01-2007 10:21 PM
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01-01-2007 10:07 AM


Evangelicals In Dark As Well
Omni writes:

there is a large population of global warming deniers--such as right wing evangelicals--eager to depict any warning as overstatement.

Most of the evangelical churches are prophetically defficient because the prophecies are not preached in the pulpits and taught in the Sabbath and Sunday schools. Thus they pshaw global warming. If they would get into the prophecies which are for their understanding, they would not be in the dark on this and other prophetically significant stuff. Most of them are as much in the dark on this as secularists are as to the significance of it.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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