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Message 1 of 5 (455922)
02-14-2008 2:40 PM


In another thread, ICANT wrote
I know what evolution is.
I also know what is being preached as evolution.
Probably the number one biggest complaint most of us have about creos is that they in fact don't know what the ToE says, and usually end up arguing against a misunderstanding, rather than the real thing. I assume everyone would agree with me that it's counterproductive to argue against evolution based on what it doesn't say.
I would like give you creos an opportunity to prove that you in fact do know both "what evolution is" and "what is being preached as evolution."
Tell us.
I'm not asking you to provide any evidence for or against any theory. I'm not asking you to argue for or against it. In fact, I'd rather you not argue against it in this thread. I just want you to describe what you think the ToE says. Moreover, if you think you understand evolution (macro, micro or otherwise) but think that it contradicts with what the ToE says, please describe that conflict.
I would much prefer that you cite a source for your understanding. I'd also much prefer that you cite a scientific source for your understanding. If you can only find creationist sites that support your understanding of what the ToE is, you might seriously want to consider that your understanding is flawed.
In any event, please tell me what you think the ToE is.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 2 of 5 (456059)
02-15-2008 8:58 AM
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This is a legitimate proposal, but there will be rampant drift as purported definitional flaws are discussed. How do you propose responding to the offered definitions without getting into potentially detailed discussions of the true nature of evolutionary theory?

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Message 3 of 5 (456129)
02-15-2008 4:02 PM
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I'm guessing there will be a great deal of work to be done on the basics before we get anywhere near discussing details.
My impression has been that things are more likely to get off topic the more different folks there are tossing their two cents worth in. I guess my suggestion for this thread would be perhaps for the science types to avoid piling on and trying to limit it to one or two people discussing each different proposed description. I don't think it will be necessary to impose any particular restrictions on the thread. If science types support their points with outside resources, I suspect that will in effect keep it from getting too crowded.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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02-16-2008 7:35 AM
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I'm going to promote this because it has a good chance of stimulating some valuable discussion, but if the thread starts to wander over too many different topics within evolution then we'll have to refocus it more narrowly.

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02-16-2008 7:36 AM


Thread copied to the What is evolution? thread in the Biological Evolution forum, this copy of the thread has been closed.

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