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Jesuslover153
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Message 1 of 90 (35144)
03-24-2003 3:42 PM


As some of you may know I believe that the moment God said "Let there be light" it in fact was the starting of gravity..
I come to the idea that what we are terming as light is but a by-product of gravity...
The reason why I believe such as that I do is that why would God make the Sun and moon and stars to be a light to shine upon the earth when he allready made light on day 1...
The reason I figure is that the 'super' gravity (genesis 1:3) that God caused in the midst of the huge ball of water called earth (Genesis 1:2) was than stopped or made much less than on the first days effect, by reason of the firmament (which interestingly enough the hebrew word when literally translated means to beat out plates), but none the less this firmament resulted in the cooling of the surface of the now much smaller earth (the water moleculer structure was put through an intense reaction which converted it into something other than water by reason of Gravity/Light), on day 3 the dry land appears and the waters gather to one place, this in effect would have covered over the first light that was created and therefore gives need for another source of light/gravity to rule over the day and night, which happens on day 4 with the creation of the sun, moon and stars.
I thank Russel Humphreys for making my mind twirl with new ideas and God for putting his writing in my path.
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Gzus
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Message 2 of 90 (35147)
03-24-2003 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jesuslover153
03-24-2003 3:42 PM


Hmmm. Some people believe that the universe was an unfortunate by-product of a strange experiment. What's your opinion on whether or not God has a tail?

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Jesuslover153
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Message 3 of 90 (35153)
03-24-2003 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Gzus
03-24-2003 4:09 PM


I certainly know that God has no tail.
I know this because we are built in his likeness and we do not grow tails. That is for one a observable phenomena.
I think people like you should be banned from the bored. You cause great offence.
Is it not a good thing to give a respectable opinion...
[This message has been edited by Jesuslover153, 03-24-2003]

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Coragyps
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Message 4 of 90 (35155)
03-24-2003 6:10 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Jesuslover153
03-24-2003 5:53 PM


I know this because we are built in his likeness and we do not grow tails.
Not universally true - occasional babies have them.

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Jesuslover153
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Message 5 of 90 (35156)
03-24-2003 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Coragyps
03-24-2003 6:10 PM


I was waiting for someone to pop that in...
I would certainly consider this a deffect happening within these occurences...

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Coragyps
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Message 6 of 90 (35157)
03-24-2003 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Jesuslover153
03-24-2003 6:19 PM


So those poor little guys aren't born in His likeness???

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Coragyps
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From: Snyder, Texas, USA
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Message 7 of 90 (35158)
03-24-2003 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jesuslover153
03-24-2003 3:42 PM


Back to your OP - can you demonstrate any relation whatever between gravity and light other than the bending of the latter by the former that Einstein predicted?

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Jesuslover153
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Message 8 of 90 (35159)
03-24-2003 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Coragyps
03-24-2003 6:26 PM


we all are fallen images of our great God.
what disease has befallen you?.. what ailment were you born with? our genetics are not perfect like they once where, and they are getting weaker and weaker...
so none of us poor little guys are born in his image...
I look forward to the day of the return of my Lord Jesus Christ...
Please if you have a worthwhile comment on my original message than reply.. if not than keep your remarks to yourself.. please please..
[This message has been edited by Jesuslover153, 03-24-2003]

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Mike Holland
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Message 9 of 90 (35160)
03-24-2003 6:36 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Jesuslover153
03-24-2003 6:19 PM


So God has an asshole and a penis? What on earth (or in heaven) does he do with them?
Is his asshole just a decoration, or are there piles of God-shit lying about the universe? Oh! Doesn't he eat? Does he not have teeth and a stomache then?
Come on! you are a human, aren't you! You must have a mind! Try using it as a new experience.
Mike.

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Mike Holland
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From: Sydney, NSW,Auistralia
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Message 10 of 90 (35161)
03-24-2003 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Mike Holland
03-24-2003 6:36 PM


If you find that response too insulting, just think of the insult you have thrown at our intelligence!
Mike.

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Mike Holland
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Posts: 179
From: Sydney, NSW,Auistralia
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Message 11 of 90 (35162)
03-24-2003 6:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jesuslover153
03-24-2003 3:42 PM


Hi Jesuslover,
Humphries has been discussed in several other forums. In particular, he has been criticized by a group of old-earth creationists who were afraid he would make a laughing stock of creationism.
The Astronomers and Cosmologists have not commented on him - they are still laughing.
If you want a list of faults with his 'theory', I could provide them, but that would just be repetition. Sorry I can't recall the forums involved, but some were about the speed of light. Try a search on Humphries.
Mike.
Edit note. I just dug these out from 'Creation Science on Astrophysics?', supplied by contributor CJHS.
Here is a link to Answers in Genesis on the dispute:
The YEC "trueorigin" archive has a page with extensive links to the correspondence between Humphreys and his critics:
Here is a page at Hugh Ross' old earth creationist organisation, "Reasons to Believe", which addresses Humphreys' idea.
Happy reading. But there are many more problems with his theory than mentioned in these references.
Mike.
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Coragyps
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From: Snyder, Texas, USA
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Message 12 of 90 (35163)
03-24-2003 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Jesuslover153
03-24-2003 6:31 PM


Please if you have a worthwhile comment on my original message than reply.. if not than keep your remarks to yourself.. please please..
Post 7 awaits you.

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Buzsaw
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Message 13 of 90 (35165)
03-24-2003 7:23 PM


Yes, according to Genesis one there was light before day four when the sun, moon and stars (imo, stars here = Milky Way Galexy) were created. We also read that it was the Holy Spirit of God that did the "moving" on the waters. This is also implied in Psalms 104:30, where we are told the Holy Spirit effected the creation.
The Holy Spirit is that dimension/agent of God which is omnipresent, moving throughout the universe doing the bidding of God the Father who sits on the throne of Heaven. The Holy Spirit is also an agent of light and it is my belief that this Holy Spirit was the source of light on earth before the sun became that primary light.
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Gzus
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Message 14 of 90 (35347)
03-26-2003 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Jesuslover153
03-24-2003 5:53 PM


quote:
I certainly know that God has no tail.
I disagree. I believe that God has many tails. What about beards?
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Jesuslover153
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Message 15 of 90 (35381)
03-26-2003 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Coragyps
03-24-2003 6:29 PM


1.the process in which the sun runs on
2.the process in which the planets circle the sun
3.the only reason the moon or any other place is able to absorb light
4.the only reason we experience the way we do
Without gravity none of this can be, not one experience that we experience... the only thing greater than gravity is the power which spoke it into being.. God.

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