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ReverendDG
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Message 1 of 28 (291143)
03-01-2006 4:46 AM


I recieved this interesting book called A History of God by Karen Armstrong

So far I am halfway through the chapters on christianity but it is a really good book. It is an analyzation of monothieism through out the ages and different look at the history of judeaism as well. Plus she adds a new understanding of how platonic and other religions effected the three religions most people follow

one of the more amazing ideas she brough up was the fact that god has changed over the millenia due to what the prophets saw, as well as how god was presented to the generation of the prophet
one large thread found throughout the book is the fact that no matter what god is only presented in our limited view, the author points this out by saying the authors of the OT and NT only saw a facelet of god and not his true face - only a small part of the overall greatness of god, thus god maybe more than what the holy texts tell us


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Message 2 of 28 (291204)
03-01-2006 12:35 PM
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03-01-2006 4:46 AM


The Peanut Gallery
Commenting only after reading the introduction, I will say offhand that I disagree with Karen Armstrongs philosophy that states that humans created God. That is where I diverge from the books philosophy right away...although it does look like an interesting read! :)

You know me, DG! God created us before we were even capable of "imagining" Him!

I'll get back to you after I read the book, one of these days!
I still have Richard Feinmanns "GENIUS" on my list also!


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Message 3 of 28 (291217)
03-01-2006 1:17 PM
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03-01-2006 4:46 AM


Karen Armstrong
Having read her book, "The Battle for God", I have to say she has an interesting writing style. A lot of what she puts forward though sounds like (not so) idle speculation. Still, if this book is as good as The Battle for God, its worth a look into if you have the opportunity

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ReverendDG
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Message 4 of 28 (292284)
03-05-2006 3:26 AM
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Re: The Peanut Gallery
Commenting only after reading the introduction, I will say offhand that I disagree with Karen Armstrongs philosophy that states that humans created God. That is where I diverge from the books philosophy right away...although it does look like an interesting read!

An interesting point she makes is the fact that unlike other gods, yahweh acted in human history - she also makes the point that the first writer of the OT started from the exodus rather than genesis and we meet yanwah that way.
Most of the middle-eastern gods never effected history directly so the idea of a god effecting human history was a new concept, if you read any myths about gods they never are really in human reality, they have their own time before mankind and the only way mankind talks to the gods is in temples

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R. Cuaresma
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Message 5 of 28 (292914)
03-07-2006 8:38 AM
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03-01-2006 4:46 AM


A History of God?
Mr. Reverend DG,

It is not fascinating if someone has written a book on the history of God because it's so easy to let one's mind works.

Here in the Philippines we have few old books that luckily survived from the intellectual colonization and Christianization of the Spaniards which bear some factual informations on the history of God. These books were made from dear skins and written in Latin language and believed to be parts of the "unsolicited fractions" of the Dead Sea Scroll." I have already seen some of it but I can not understand the writings. However, most of it were already translated/interpreted but never been published because of its sacredness. I slightly mentioned this topic in my journal (http://www.livejournal.com/users/ranie070), and I suggest you read it to satiate your query.

Not all present day books on spiritual topics are divinely inspired but written as mere products of man's imaginations, and for money, too.


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Message 6 of 28 (292921)
03-07-2006 9:14 AM
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Re: The Peanut Gallery
quote:
An interesting point she makes is the fact that unlike other gods, yahweh acted in human history - she also makes the point that the first writer of the OT started from the exodus rather than genesis and we meet yanwah that way.
Most of the middle-eastern gods never effected history directly so the idea of a god effecting human history was a new concept, if you read any myths about gods they never are really in human reality, they have their own time before mankind and the only way mankind talks to the gods is in temples

The Greek and Roman pantheon of gods were constantly walking among humans and meddling with their affairs, though.


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nator
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Message 7 of 28 (292922)
03-07-2006 9:18 AM
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Re: A History of God?
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Not all present day books on spiritual topics are divinely inspired but written as mere products of man's imaginations, and for money, too.

I would say that we are unable to tell which spiritual books from any time, not ust the present day, are divinely inspired.

And if the amount of money from the sale of books is a bad thing, might I point out that the Bible is the best selling book of all time?


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R. Cuaresma
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Message 8 of 28 (293153)
03-08-2006 5:53 AM


A History of God
I am becoming more interested to participate in this kind of forum. However, I just don't know how will I limit my words because I might violate the "oath" I have had in keeping the secrets I knew.

In this topic alone, I am almost about to reveal the "names" used by the "Almighty God" from the time He was dealing with His first creations, until our present day generations; names that will prove that God has a written story as proof of His immeasurable power and glory; a written history to be revealed in the near future. But I supposed I have no authority to do it. Nevertheless I can slightly cite topics known to many that have relations to it. For example, God is called Jehovah (JHVH) or Yahweh (YHWH) by the Jews; the early Egyptians called him Sun God RA; some names in the Bible were also mentioned, like Jehovah-Jireh, El Shaddai, Shalom, etc.

Many people are probably aware that a certain "anagram" is being circulated through the net bearing these letters "S A T O R A R E P O T E N E T O P E R A R O T A S." May I educate those people that these words must not be taken for granted. These 25 letters are actually called the "25 LLAVES" and taken as acronyms to represent the "first 25 letters" of a prayer known to be one of the prayers of the 12 Apostles. In this prayer, the "name" of God is mentioned.

It is also written in Revelation 2:17 that a new name (God's name) will be given to those who will overcome.


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robinrohan
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Message 9 of 28 (293155)
03-08-2006 6:16 AM
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03-01-2006 4:46 AM


I'm familiar with several of Armstrong's books. Her autobiography The Spiral Staircase is rather interesting too. She was a nun for awhile.

ABE: And, in her own way, she is religious.

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ReverendDG
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Message 10 of 28 (293416)
03-08-2006 5:54 PM
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03-07-2006 8:38 AM


Re: A History of God?
I'm not even sure what you are talking about, but the book is interesting because it doesn't stem from the holy text itself, its a history of how belief has evolved and how god has changed in reflection of human views and needs

i've read the bible enough already i'm interested in why the bible was written in the way it was and this book gives some interesting views

However, most of it were already translated/interpreted but never been published because of its sacredness

its difficult to believe this because things that are unpublished, may or may not be real. i would love to read it if it exists and it gets published

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ReverendDG
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Message 11 of 28 (293422)
03-08-2006 6:03 PM
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03-07-2006 9:14 AM


Re: The Peanut Gallery
The Greek and Roman pantheon of gods were constantly walking among humans and meddling with their affairs, though.

true they do, but never normal people i guess, mostly they seem to be kings or halfgods or some how special in someway. Other point being that its during a time that was far removed from the time of the people being told the story

plus remember schraf, the author is speaking of middle-eastern gods, not roman and greek, or norse or celtic (though very few of the myths i've read had gods directly moving humans like pawns in a game)


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ReverendDG
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Message 12 of 28 (293428)
03-08-2006 6:17 PM
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03-08-2006 5:53 AM


Re: A History of God
Sorry but RA is not yanweh, the later egyptians worshiped ra in a monothiestic religion that lasted 100 years then died out.

S A T O R A R E P O T E N E T O P E R A R O T A S. is not an anagram it is a palindrome and one of the oldest ones, heres the only real helpful site i could find on it http://www.koschei.net/blog/archives/000043.html

It is also written in Revelation 2:17 that a new name (God's name) will be given to those who will overcome.

its not gods name but the name of the person that believes and eats of the manna, where do you get its gods name?
http://bible.cc/revelation/2-17.htm

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lfen
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Message 13 of 28 (293730)
03-09-2006 3:45 PM
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03-08-2006 6:03 PM


Re: The Peanut Gallery
(though very few of the myths i've read had gods directly moving humans like pawns in a game)

I offer the Iliad as a classic example. The gods were responsible for almost or maybe it was all of the action. (been decades since I studied the Iliad. Guess I'm just a lapsed pagan :o).

lfen


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R. Cuaresma
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03-10-2006 12:09 AM
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Re: A History of God
Thank you for your comment and for qouting the site as your reference: http://www.koschei.net/blog/archives/000043.html. I would like to emphasize that one of the contributors in the site (ranie) is me, and am so thankful for you.

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R. Cuaresma
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Message 15 of 28 (293815)
03-10-2006 12:41 AM
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Re: A History of God
This is my comment to your reply: "its not gods name but the name of the person that believes and eats of the manna, where do you get its gods name? (http://bible.cc/revelation/2-17.htm).

My friend, do you have your name? Of course, you have. Do you mean you have another name(s) aside from what your name is? Probably you have an alias? And, of course no matter how long or how hard to pronounce your name is, still you have a name and you surely knew it. But, do you knew exactly the name of your god is? Of course, you will say "yes." And, do you mean your god's name is "Jehovah" or "Yahweh" or "Jesus Christ?" Of course you may say all these are the names of your god. But, do you knew already "His Name" by the time He will return and judge both the living and the dead?

The "Parable of the Ten Virgins" says that He will come like a theft in the night. It means no one has no knowledge about Him, no one know what He looks like, and no one don't even know his name will be. Just like when Lord Jesus Christ came, they knew He is coming but no one has no idea how He will come.

The logic is very simple, if your Master will give you a secret, will it be about "His secret" or "your secret?" Tell me.


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