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Author Topic:   Living With Darwin - Evolution, Design and the Future of Faith
Brad McFall
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Message 2 of 7 (388626)
03-06-2007 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by subbie
03-05-2007 5:53 PM


cave insects and special creation?
Here is the biggest problem I have with Kitcher’s presentation.
He insists on scripting the differences and similarities of cave insects in US and Europe as being something that creationists would not be able to explain by separate creation and yet the narrative of his “evolutionary” side does not seem to permit there to be ANY truth to Croizat’s claim that Mayr has no concept of “recombination” of characters or one must read Kitcher’s use of popular evolutionary thought ONLY interms of standard neo-Darwinism but he clearly is aware otherwise when he writes about “anti-selectionism”.
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Buffalo Museum of Science - Mayr Mentions Croizat
Why does Dr. Ernst Mayr to war against Croizat firing only blanks? ... entirely wanting an idea of recombination of characters, of type of organization, ...
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This notion of change seems to have a paternity back to Rosa and given the speculative past reconstruction of

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"The Book of Life:An Illustrated History of the Evolution of Life on Earth" and "Panbiogeography:Tracking the History of Life"
where the white line connected Europe and America it seems possible an entomologist might investigate that similarities of the cave insects due to secondary local mobilism of a prior common immoblism the “line” radiates. These terms are also a part of Panbiogeography but because the genetic nature of Croizat’s method is not spelled out it seems that IF recombination gives rise to insect and cave insect form across this geology then a creationist may assert “special creation” where Kitcher insisted this was not possible.

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Brad McFall
Member (Idle past 5060 days)
Posts: 3428
From: Ithaca,NY, USA
Joined: 12-20-2001


Message 5 of 7 (401338)
05-19-2007 8:28 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by bgmark2
05-19-2007 7:37 AM


What is complicated?
What's complicated??
...that Gish would only pass the torch to someone who would permit his or her daughter to date a monkey with relations to nannas? It is simple as I see it. The notion of "relation" fails to be worked as far as it can be thought, on either side, of the peel.
If evos contiune to slip up by not having control of the work coming out of their own camp, (Neither Provine nor DS Wilson were familiar with Kitcher's book), it will only be Dawkin's lament that biologists have to endure socially what physicists do not that can be heard.
The reason for that is that Kant's differences of mathema and dogmata apply biologically (to a given object not a given material) while they need not to any particular work with a GIVEN amount of materials. Why? the materials control the actual relations. Biologists working with relations have to deal with multiple "material givens" (at different times in history). The attempt to solve this difficulty with the use of language (theoretical biology of 60s, the genetic code, computers) only makes the notion of relation that may not apply to biology more intricate. We still have the same bannana tree, no matter what is up it.
Edited by Brad McFall, : superfelous subsistence

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