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robinrohan
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Message 4 of 44 (305222)
04-19-2006 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Phat
04-19-2006 10:33 AM


Re: An a-priori type of guy
Call it a leap of faith.
And your justification for this leap of faith?

"The whole of life goes like this. We seek repose by battling against difficulties, and once they are overcome, repose becomes unbearable because of the boredom it engenders."--Pascal

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robinrohan
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Message 7 of 44 (305443)
04-20-2006 10:21 AM
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04-20-2006 9:37 AM


"sweet reason"
As an example, for those whom are married, do you find it necessary to prove that your wife actually loves you?
Actually, this sort of inductive testing does take place in marriages quite often.
Some of us are just more comfortable to quit trying to prove and examine every single circumstance in life.
Not every single circumstance, no. But the existence or non-existence of God is not your garden-variety circumstance. It's fundamental. Now, my own stance is that one tries to figure matters out. One reasons it through. Some people seem not to believe in "reason." I suppose they think they have reasonable reasons why reason doesn't work--a contradiction by my way of thinking. Reason is the given: we go from there. You can't get "outside" of Reason.
So according to my scheme, there is a 50/50 chance that God exists. Moreover, I've reasoned it out (less certainly) that only one type of God could exist (all-knowing, all-good, etc). I've also reasoned it out that the moral argument against God is invalid (if our morality is subjective, then it can't count as evidence for or against anything, such as the existence or non-existence of God). And so my previous argument that the painful nature of the evolutionary process proves that God doesn't exist fails on those grounds. On the other hand, if God does exist, he is cruel if we grant the truth of evolution--in that if God does exist, that could possibly mean our moral ideas are objective.
That's about as far as I've gotten so far.

"The whole of life goes like this. We seek repose by battling against difficulties, and once they are overcome, repose becomes unbearable because of the boredom it engenders."--Pascal

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robinrohan
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Message 11 of 44 (305510)
04-20-2006 3:59 PM
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04-20-2006 3:38 PM


Re: "sweet reason"
would really like to see this scheme layed out (perhaps in a new thread?)
Moreover, I've reasoned it out (less certainly) that only one type of God could exist (all-knowing, all-good, etc).
I would also like to see the "reasoning" that lead you to this conclusion. More specifically, how do you rule out the existence of, say, an ignorant (in the sense that it is unaware of things such as planet earth) and cruel God?
I've talked about this before but could do it again in a new thread.

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robinrohan
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Message 15 of 44 (305616)
04-21-2006 5:50 AM
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04-20-2006 11:28 PM


Re: An a-priori type of guy
For example, mathematical truth is considered a priori
So "a priori" means "deductive"?

"The whole of life goes like this. We seek repose by battling against difficulties, and once they are overcome, repose becomes unbearable because of the boredom it engenders."--Pascal

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robinrohan
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Message 17 of 44 (305658)
04-21-2006 10:21 AM
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04-21-2006 8:06 AM


Re: An a-priori type of guy
No. In the case of mathematics, the deduction is based on premises that did not come from empirical observation
Are you referring to things like the assumptions we make for plain geometry? Is that what you call "a priori"?

"The whole of life goes like this. We seek repose by battling against difficulties, and once they are overcome, repose becomes unbearable because of the boredom it engenders."--Pascal

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