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robinrohan
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Message 61 of 107 (269387)
12-14-2005 7:37 PM
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12-14-2005 7:19 PM


Re: I like beer
On Sunday I start the day with coffee, open that special Sunday breakfast beer when the meal is about 15 minutes from serving, and then switch back to a cup of coffee afterwards over the NY Times before gettin busy around the house or yard.

I could never do that.


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Message 62 of 107 (269392)
12-14-2005 7:47 PM
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12-14-2005 12:42 PM


Re: Innocent of the charge
quote:
You mistake me utterly, schraf.

I did mistake you utterly and am delighted that you take the issue of driving while under the influence as seriously as you obviously do.

Please accept my sincere apologies for the confusion. Since you were talking about the time of "hazerdous driving" combined with your tales of all-day drinking, I came to an erronious conclusion.


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Message 63 of 107 (269394)
12-14-2005 7:52 PM
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12-14-2005 7:47 PM


Re: Innocent of the charge
Perfectly understandable, and I'm in no way offended. It is a terrible problem, and I wish more drinkers (and smokers and snorters and...) took it as seriously.


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Message 64 of 107 (269396)
12-14-2005 7:54 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by robinrohan
12-14-2005 7:37 PM


Hop to it...
All you have to do is try--that's all the Hop asks of you.

It's just that simple.*

*(with apologies to jar)


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robinrohan
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Message 65 of 107 (269420)
12-14-2005 8:17 PM
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12-14-2005 7:54 PM


Re: Hop to it...
All you have to do is try--that's all the Hop asks of you.

Impossible. The beer bone is not connected to the coffee bone.

my personal regimen for all liquids:

1. 5:00 am to 8:00. Coffee with cream.

2. 10:00 am diet Coke

3. 2:00 pm Diet coke

after 3:00, water.
and then I've already given my routine for the stuff later in the evening.

I can't mix this stuff together.


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Message 66 of 107 (269428)
12-14-2005 8:24 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by RAZD
12-14-2005 6:12 PM


quote:
If their drinking does not affect others what is the harm?

A high-functioning alcoholic is still impaired when they are drinking.

An employer is taking on a HUGE amount of liability with a someone who is under the influence of a drug like that, that impairs judgement, every day.

The problem is, if they are constantly under the influence of the drug, for years, there is no way to tell how someone might have fared in life without it.

Sure, your parents' careers might have not been affected, but you really can't say, because there is no controll set of parents who weren't drinking all the time to compare to.


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Message 67 of 107 (269433)
12-14-2005 8:28 PM
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12-14-2005 12:55 PM


quote:
Also, my older sister was a high-functioning alcoholic until she was caught drinking vodka from a water glass in her office. When she learned that the family was planning an intervention, she killed herself. She was only 38, and one of the kindest and brightest people I've ever known.

Perhaps she was self medicating a clinical depression with alcohol.

This sort of thing is apparently not uncommon.

I am very sorry to hear of your sister's death, but it's just not a normal thing to kill oneself just because you fear that your family is going to sit you down and have a serious talk about some health or behavior issue.


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Message 68 of 107 (269447)
12-14-2005 8:38 PM
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12-14-2005 8:17 PM


Re: Hop to it...
what's the difference between diet Coke and Diet coke?

is the latter the white kind?

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robinrohan
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Message 69 of 107 (269454)
12-14-2005 8:41 PM
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12-14-2005 8:38 PM


Re: Hop to it...
what's the difference between diet Coke and Diet coke?

Smartypants.


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Message 70 of 107 (269460)
12-14-2005 8:49 PM
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12-14-2005 8:41 PM


Re: Hop to it...
:p

i try.


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Message 71 of 107 (269476)
12-14-2005 9:12 PM
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12-14-2005 8:24 PM


A high-functioning alcoholic is still impaired when they are drinking.

You have a real bee up your bonnet on this issue (judging from other threads and comments).

The logical fallacy is that a high functioning alchoholic could still be a better functioning person than a teetotaler that just doesn't have the ability to reach the top levels of whatever {profession\job\task} is involved. Certainly if the issue is mental ability this is the real question here: subset{high functioning alchoholic} overlaps the ability spectrum of subset{non-alchoholic} within any {profession\job\task}.

And if you are dealing with creativity at any level in the {profession\job\task} then all bets are off.

BTW - they both reached the top levels in their fields of study, and that is a good enough criteria for competence and success in my book.

Might they have done better without? Can't say. They might have gone crazy too (heck, they might be crazy too :D).

We measure success by what is rather than what might have been.

If person {A} does the {profession\job\task} better than person {B} and no one is adversly affected by person {A} being some level {intoxicated\drugged\influenced} then what is the harm?

Presumably they were hired because they were the better choice, and presumably the reason they keep the job is because they are at least adequate for the tasks involved. Once you cross the line into "adequate" then you are no longer "high functioning" eh?

Enjoy.


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Message 72 of 107 (269477)
12-14-2005 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by nator
12-14-2005 8:28 PM


I am very sorry to hear of your sister's death, but it's just not a normal thing to kill oneself just because you fear that your family is going to sit you down and have a serious talk about some health or behavior issue.

Thank you, schraf, and, yes, I'm sure she was suffering from depression. It's a pity the effective medications--and the social openness about the problem--that we enjoy now were not available then.

But what they were planning--and what they carelessly let leak to her through eavesdropping kids--was to have her involuntarily committed. It was a horribly inappropriate idea. They meant well, but we know what road is paved with good intentions.

I'd agree that killing yourself under any circumstances is not what we would like to consider a normal thing. But as Bruce Cockburn has observed, "The trouble with normal is it always gets worse."


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Message 73 of 107 (269478)
12-14-2005 9:16 PM
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12-14-2005 8:17 PM


Regimental drinking
I may disagree with what you drink, but I will defend to the death your right to drink it.

I think Ulysses Grant said that.


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robinrohan
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Message 74 of 107 (269482)
12-14-2005 9:22 PM
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12-14-2005 9:16 PM


Re: Regimental drinking
I may disagree with what you drink, but I will defend to the death your right to drink it.
I think Ulysses Grant said that.

Like I said, you're the comic POTM winner.

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Message 75 of 107 (269487)
12-14-2005 9:39 PM
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12-14-2005 7:12 PM


A true tale of sorrow.

If I had been living near there at the time, I would have put a stop to it. Although the family council of elders didn't drink, they were to a person at least deeply neurotic and emotionally destructive; not one of them was as kind and generous as the person they planned to lock up.

Yes, nothing like the reaction to repressive behavior to bring out the repressive behavior in the reaction to the reaction to the repressive behavior .... not sure you could have stopped them (they could just exclude you from further plans, or added you to the list...).

What they didn't\couldn't perceive was that corrective measures were being taken, that more were available (one could consider leaving the glass out a subconscious "cry for help" in the battle, much harder to do alone), and that is the sad part.

How many {CEO's\VPs\Managers\employees\etc} do you know that drink over lunchtime? Is this any different in action? A difference in degree doesn't matter if it doesn't affect ability of the person involved.

I fully support MADD and SADD and the campaign to keep all people with inadequate reaction time and ability off the road, I just question whether this can really be done by a measurement of the proportion of {alchohol\etc} in the blood.

Mix one small drink with extreme tiredness and you can have more effect on driving that several drinks.

Heck I've known people to come to work habitually sick to the point where they can barely function - how is this different?

The real issue is perception, mental concentration and physical ability to do the tasks. If that criteria is met and no one is harmed then what is the problem?


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