Women's Reactions to Rape

There is one thing about those types of threads (those that involve guns and the like) - they start off quite sober, before long people are comparing which type of weapon is the best for slashing and the like.I'm sorry America is a sick society.

Yes it is unfortunate that the noble Isle of Britian spawned such a bastard child. It would seem America has inherited some nastyness from dear old dad and mum.

Mutations or, more likely, a developmental problem (oxygen starvation perhaps)This message has been edited by NosyNed, 10-02-2004 09:53 AM

I'm sorry that you labor under the delusion that magic superheroes will always swoop down to save your ass if someone decides to ignore the restraints of civility that are your only protection from predators.

please link to a post where I say self-defense is wrong.Please link to a post where I claim that magical superheros will protect us.Can you tell me the connection between self-defense and the discussion on a talkboard about the relative merits of which weapon will kill the quickest.

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I'm sorry America is a sick society.

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Hey, before you go any futher with the holier-than-thou attitude, you might want to examine how much damage your beloved unfettered, amoral, free market capitalism injures people in the form of poverty, environmental degradation, etc.Robber baron capitalists have injured plenty of people.

Hey, I read a scenario and disagreed with the 'helplessness' situation. The point of it was that I saw no reason to not resist the rape. I agree with Crashfrog that it is a fantasy if you think stuff like this doesn't need to be considered. Rape is very real, even in merry olde England. Never been raped, know only one two people that have been, but I'm still quite aware of its existence. I think that if someone doesn't want to get raped, it might help to resist in ways a little more persuasive than saying 'no'.Please don't go pointing fingers at a society over something some kid said on an internet forum. Besides, who's bigger on MMA cagefights between the two of us, eh?Not that it's a bad thing

women are taught that their sexuality is something precious and secret. this is why rape works to take power over a woman. i think the attitude towards sex needs to be more clinical. that will solve it.

How do you think self-defense works, CK? Self-defense is the process by which one incapacitates one's attacker with the greatest expediency.But if you think that you can just apply the Vulcan neck pinch and drop a guy, you live in a fantasy world. The application of submission holds requires intense training and physical strength. It's a lot easier and safer to learn to use lethal force against an attacker.But to you, discussions of this nature are apparently "sick." This can only be because of one of two things: you possess a cavalier disregard for your own saftey, or you possess an naieve optimisim in the power of law enforcement.This message has been edited by crashfrog, 10-02-2004 04:00 PM

I'm not sure if "clinical" and "solve" are the right words, but I agree with your assessment. A lot of this stems from sex being seen not just as precious, but also "sinful". The damage is portrayed as something more than just temporal and mental/physical, but sort of eternal moral/spiritual.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

I'm not above the realization that it's just possible that my concern on this topic is motivated by a sexist need to "protect" women.But I hope it isn't.

yeah. 'purity' is the problem, not the cost.

I think part of the problem with how women (and probably men, too) consider rape worse than other violence is because sex is supposed to be pleasurable.I mean, if someone gets beaten, it's something that most people are not going to ever associate with pleasure or fun; it just hurts and is scary. If someone gets shot or stabbed, that's even more painful and frightening and traumatic.Rape, however, is distorting what is generally a natural, pleasurable, sensual act into a painful, potentially life-threatening attack.That is different from other attacks in my opinion.

If it's from being attacked, that's one thing. If it's from having their purity (thanks B) ruined and so forever damaged, that's another.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

Personally I did not find it worse because it involved sex, and I think it's because I didn't have prudish values regarding sex. Indeed that was one of the things that saved me from more psychological damage.I would also point out that there are plenty of people with rape fantasies as well as hardcore S&M fantasies which have only to do with getting beaten and have nothing to do with sexual acitivity.One of the twisted messages I see coming from prudism is that pure S&M and brutality is tolerated and in some cases championed (just look at boxing) while anything remotely sexual is reviled (like just one little nipple).Indeed, prostitution is illegal because it involves pleasure for money which is considered dangerous, while S&M dungeons and professional dominatrixes are perfectly legal because they beat and injure people for money which is harmless because it is not sex.This is certainly part of the problem.However, I think your point is an interesting one and it's going to occupy my mind for a bit.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)