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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 21 of 246 (360476)
11-01-2006 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by iano
11-01-2006 10:40 AM


i'm not catholic, so if they're right then i'm going to hell.
the jehovah's witnesses believe that jesus wasn't god (insert also jews or muslims here) and i'm not sure so i'm sure i'm guilty of a sufficient amount of idolatry. so hell.
i don't live in a box and i ask questions and i have sex and i don't worship the bible or james dobson, so i must worship a false god according to the ordinary christian fundies and even some of the more mainline christians, so hell there too.
i can't fucking win.
however. my god says i am his and he is mine. also, i don't even know where you got this idea of hell from anyways.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 59 of 246 (360578)
11-01-2006 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Faith
11-01-2006 5:23 PM


Re: To be fair to Iano...
try reading the koran. you know, they do have english translations.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 61 of 246 (360602)
11-01-2006 11:34 PM
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11-01-2006 10:57 PM


Re: To be fair to Iano...
well for one it states that women are full and equal humans with perfect agency under allah. there are a few business applications that reduce their status but there's certainly nothing about them being forbidden to speak in church...
also, the bit about virgins isn't in there. it talks about white flowers which is understood to be an expression referring to locally adored light-skinned women as an expression of the perfect pleasure of being in god's presence. but it says nothing about virgins or their numbers. further, the koran states that one wife is perfect but no more than four is acceptable. these things you discuss are things developed in hadith which is kind of like the talmud. it's a bunch of stuffy old bastards discussing what they think god meant.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 64 of 246 (360610)
11-02-2006 12:21 AM
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11-01-2006 11:56 PM


Re: To be fair to Iano...
About the Koran's stating that women have equality, can you give a quotation or chapter and verse?
i'll get right on that, as soon as i can find my koran and my books under the morass of articles on other crap. hell, maybe i'll even finish my papers first. remind me. i'm serious. i just also have a hundred pages to write in the next month.
it seems that Muslims don't exactly live by their Koran.
nor christians their bible.
I should be prepared to wear something up to the neck and down to the wrists and a long skirt, with my hair covered of course, and that we would enter the mosque by a door set apart for women only and sit in a segregated area for women only.
modesty is commended in the koran. but even the prophet's favorite wife aisha refused to veil herself and was the pinacle of respected muslim woman. there is nothing in the koran about specific veiling procedures only that the bosom and private bits should be covered. precicely that women should draw their garments around them to cover themselves. all other discussion of hijab is in hadith. also, the extent of hijab varies greatly with local custom. ever been to indonesia?
i will check again for stuff on mosque segregation, but i'm willing to bet that it is again a matter of patriarchal custom and hadith. however, the old testament claims that women should never speak or sing in church because their voices are seductive and cause sin and our dear friend paul says that women should be quiet in church and if they want to learn something, they should ask their husbands.
also, you can quote all the websites you like. until you bother to read some actual theology and the damn book itself, i'll continue to assume your complete ignorance.
Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

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