Your eternal destination: you decide.

Something I would expect to hear from someone who has not met God. There is no way to prove that.
You can't prove he believed it, or whether God spoke to him or not. You missed my point. I think therefor I am.

Reread all you posted there. It is just you confirming your beliefs. You still offer NO idea of how you or anyone else can "KNOW" God.I missed no point. We can establish that this forum exists.How can you tell it is God that you know?

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Not if you are the only one who can see it, that was my point that you missed.The other point that I made, that you keep missing, is that you cannot prove God to anyone, so stop asking me "how do you know God".This does not mean that God does not exist, and that He does not speak to people, or that people do not see angels.

And as I pointed out to you, that is simply not the case with the forum. It can be independently verified. Then you agree it is impossible for you to "Know" that what you believe is God really is God. If not, then how do you tell the difference? That has nothing to do with this thread or topic.Again, how do you "Know" that what you think is God is God and not some other critter?

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If your own verification is of no worth then what worth the verification of anothers?Zero worth mulitplied by 10,000 is zero worth. God forbid we had to get another opinion before we could know anything.

An analogy based on a straw-man representation of what Jar said. If someone's knowledge can be verified in some way then it has greater worth. The validity of said knowledge increases with the number of verfications.If anyone's knowledge is of "zero worth" is it your own because you are utterly unable to provide any means of verification to others.A defendant is standing trial for a crime in court. Ten eyewitnesses say the defendant didn't do it, whereas one lone man says he "knows" the defendant did it despite the fact he wasn't present.Who would you expect the judge to listen to? Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.

Verification by others has worth because it means that either they are imagining the same thing as you, or it is actually a thing. The more external verification, the less likely the hallucination, in general.

As I pointed out to riverrat the case of this forum goes even beyond that. The fact that inanimate creations like webcrawlers also see and catalog the forum adds additional weight.

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Sure, but frankly the question is pretty desperate, and those asking it know that. Do they not see the difference between something that we percieve materially with our senses and something we percieve entirely inside our heads without sensory input. They are trying to claim that a dream is the same class of evidence as a finger burnt on a hot pan.Edited by Sour, : spelling

My original statement was, you cannot verify it, if others cannot see it. Then you go on to explain how others can see it.Please, explain how you can verify that this forum exists, if others could not see it. How do you recognize truth?
How do you know love? Some things in life, do not need testing.
Do you need to test that you exist? I am not asking if you can.

There are billions of people that believe Jesus was the son of God.
The rest of the world also acknowldges His existance, but do not believe He was the son of God, but just a prophet.Yet there are still people in this forum who claim that He never even existed.I know many people who feel EXACTLY the same thing I feel from God. We even get parallel messages from God, at the same times.Regardless of all that, I do not need any verification to know God, what God has provided me with is enough. Some things go beyond science, and verification. Beyond a shadow of a doubt, is what the courts require.Jesus said it is your faith that gets you healed. How do you verify faith?Verification is only based on apon what is seen. What about the unseen?

I did refute that assertion. First, others CAN see it. In addition, even inanimate objects like webcrawlers can locate, verify and catalog the existence of this forum. It IS verifiable.You claim that you can KNOW God.How can you know that it is GOD and not some demon? If you are honest, you admit that unless it can be tested and verified you cannot. Certainly some trivial things do not have to be tested. Nobody tests for counterfeit pennies. It simply is not a big enough risk to make it worthwhile to test.You though assert that you "KNOW" God.How do you know that it is God and not some demon?I can test that I exist, do so every single morning. The evidence that I exist is overwhelming. My doggies get fed. I have aches and pains. We are holding this conversation. People email me and I respond. Folk IM me and we hold conversations.There is little doubt that I exist.Once again...You though assert that you "KNOW" God.How do you know that it is God and not some demon?

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The count is 2.1 billion according to adherents.com data. 1 person in 3 worldwide.It's worth mentioning that the overwhelming majority of these professing Christians are not recognized as 'real' Christians at all by fundamentalists. In all cases, of course, we're discussing adherents rather than eyewitnesses. I don't doubt it. Many people in my part of the world have the same experiences with Guan Yin, the Compassionate One. They get parallel messages, warnings that save their lives... the experiences are uncanny. A common misconception. It's 'beyond reasonable doubt.'___Edited by Archer Opterix, : HTML.Edited by Archer Opterix, : Clarity.

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

Do they Acknowledge Jesus as a prophet? Do they even care if he lived or died?Edited by alacrity fitzhugh, : ?

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Look to this day, For yesterday is already a dream. And tomorrow only a vision. But today We lived, makes every Yesterday a dream of Happiness and every tomorrow A vision of hope. Look well there to This day.

No and maybe not, but they're respectful. It's benign indifference, not rejection. They know who Jesus is. Taiwanese Buddhists often have Christian friends. Catholics run a number of schools and missions here (most of the nuns seem to be Filipino) and Chiang Kai-Shek was a Methodist. They respect Jesus as they respect anyone's deity. Quan Yin devotees would have no problem with a person praying to both Guan Yin and Jesus if they felt the need.A number of deities, bodhissatvas, and revered figures are prayed to here. One never rejects a figure someone else worships. One never knows, after all, what wisdom may lie in those mysteries. It's wise to be respectful. At the same time, no one expects to keep track of every figure a person might possibly pray to.Quan Yin is hugely popular. Her whole aspect encourages an attitude of warmth and accommodation. The overall attitude toward religion is completely different than the kind of thing you see so often on these boards. People are very tolerant and accepting of whatever you want to do. They just let it hang.When my Taiwanese friends talk to me about the West they often express disbelief that anyone would ever wage a war over religion. What's the point? Just build a new temple on the street and invite everyone to your grand opening. We might even add a new altar in our temple. You can pray to your god there, with Guan Yin (Buddhist figure) on one side and Guan Gung (Tao Jio figure) on the other. We can all burn money for our ancestors afterwards and head out for rice noodles. Why not?I hope this answers your question. It's certainly safe to say the average Guan Yin devotee tends to be more knowledgable of, and accepting of, Jesus than the average Christian tends to be of Guan Yin.___Edited by Archer Opterix, : Revision.

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ArcherAll species are transitional.