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iano
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Message 46 of 246 (360550)
11-01-2006 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by alacrity fitzhugh
11-01-2006 5:43 PM


Re: To be fair or not to be to Iano..
iano writes:
Even the most rabid athiest will accept that God of the Bible can well exist.
alacrity writes:
you, iano, used will as the 6 word of the sentence, and if you had used can that would be different I never posted about well.
It seems there is a dimension beyond 'rabid'. My bad...

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subbie
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Message 47 of 246 (360557)
11-01-2006 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by iano
11-01-2006 2:06 PM


Well I'm a rabid Christian so lets have a look see. I know Allah can't exist when I know God does. Someone who cannot exist cannot send me anywhere.
What a chicken[____] copout.
You started this thread with your silly insistence that we must concede the possibility that your conception of a deity must exist. You got honest answers from several people, me included, who were willing to go along with your premise to the extent of giving a substantive reply. Then you give this crap.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

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iano
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Message 48 of 246 (360558)
11-01-2006 7:01 PM
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11-01-2006 6:54 PM


You started this thread with your silly insistence that we must concede the possibility that your conception of a deity must exist. You got honest answers from several people, me included, who were willing to go along with your premise to the extent of giving a substantive reply
Your substantive reply was: "Ditto CK and Ned"
I didn't say he must exist. I supposed even the most rabid atheist must concide he could exist. C'mon Subbie..I've been around a little longer than that

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tudwell
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Message 49 of 246 (360560)
11-01-2006 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by iano
11-01-2006 7:01 PM


Many atheists don't concede that God, as described in the Christian Bible, can exist, just as you don't concede that God as described in the Koran can exist.

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subbie
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Message 50 of 246 (360561)
11-01-2006 7:11 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by iano
11-01-2006 7:01 PM


Yes, you proposed that even the most rabid atheist must concede that "God of the Bible" must exist. However, when the question was turned back on you, you were either intellectually or dispositionally incapable of assuming for the purpose of a similar question that allah might exist.
And you have the nuts to suggest that someone else is beyond rabid.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

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iano
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Message 51 of 246 (360562)
11-01-2006 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by subbie
11-01-2006 7:11 PM


Yes, you proposed that even the most rabid atheist must concede that "God of the Bible" must exist.
I proposed nothing of the sort. For the benefit of you alone I'll go back to clarify

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subbie
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Message 52 of 246 (360563)
11-01-2006 7:15 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by iano
11-01-2006 7:13 PM


You are quite correct. You did not say "must" in your OP. That was my typo in my previous post.
Mea culpa.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

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iano
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Message 53 of 246 (360564)
11-01-2006 7:18 PM
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11-01-2006 7:15 PM


Edited nonetheless. Best to be as clear as possible. Cheers Subbie..

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iano
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Message 54 of 246 (360566)
11-01-2006 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by tudwell
11-01-2006 7:09 PM


Many atheists don't concede that God, as described in the Christian Bible, can exist,
Name one who gives a basis for so holding.
just as you don't concede that God as described in the Koran can exist.
I'm in a different position to the atheist. An atheist cannot know God doesn't exist. Whereas I can know he does. And if I do then I can know all sorts of things as a consequence of that amongst which, Allah doesn't exist.
We float not in the same boat, the atheist and me.

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subbie
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Message 55 of 246 (360567)
11-01-2006 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by iano
11-01-2006 7:18 PM


I'm far less interested in your editing than I am in seeing whether you have the intellectual honesty and faith on your own belief to respond to your own question turned back on you.
Seems I have my answer.
Edited by subbie, : No reason given.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

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iceage 
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Message 56 of 246 (360570)
11-01-2006 7:58 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by iano
11-01-2006 2:13 PM


Re: Salvation Meme
If you believe the things you believe then it is not too far a stretch to accept that the Catholic church may be right in their view.
Too far a stretch? You've got to be kidding me
It would be a far shorter trip for you to be come a Catholic than would be for me to believe in your bronze age concept of a god.
Really quite tragic that you are risking damnation for such a small philosophical adjustment? BTW your sidestep was noted...

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iano
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From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
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Message 57 of 246 (360572)
11-01-2006 8:05 PM
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11-01-2006 7:31 PM


If you have a problem with the answer I gave your queston then address it. Don't curl your lip without due process. This is a debate website - not a posturing parlour.
Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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iano
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Message 58 of 246 (360574)
11-01-2006 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by iceage
11-01-2006 7:58 PM


Re: Salvation Meme
It would be a far shorter trip for you to be come a Catholic than would be for me to believe in your bronze age concept of a god.
How dry is the chalk and how ripe the cheese is something we could go on and on about. Needless to say RC is light years away from Christianity as far as I am concerned. I ain't willing to discuss how many light years to the nearest bazillion with you*.
{AbE} *Well I am: how close is salvation by mans works vs salvtion by Gods grace - in light years?
Really quite tragic that you are risking damnation for such a small philosophical adjustment?
Like I said - light years
BTW your sidestep was noted...
Remind me svp.
Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 59 of 246 (360578)
11-01-2006 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Faith
11-01-2006 5:23 PM


Re: To be fair to Iano...
try reading the koran. you know, they do have english translations.

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Faith 
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Message 60 of 246 (360598)
11-01-2006 10:57 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by macaroniandcheese
11-01-2006 8:30 PM


Re: To be fair to Iano...
And how did I misrepresent the Koran?

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