Limits on Abortion

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One could take the hate being directed at you as proof that you are correct.

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Yeah. Hatred is usually a good sign that the hated person is correct. That's why Nazis and the KKK are probably correct.

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Actually, if their god makes better pancakes, I'm totally switching sides. -- Charley the Australopithecine

I'm not saying that it is either normal or abnormal; I was quoting your comment that the hate being directed at nem is evidence that he is correct.People might be hating him, or they might not.The hatred may be normal, or it might not.Nem might even be correct, or he might not.But I'm pretty sure that even if he's right, the hatred directed toward him doesn't count as evidence of it.

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Actually, if their god makes better pancakes, I'm totally switching sides. -- Charley the Australopithecine

Too bad there isn't a "Nomination for Longest Subtitle With the Most Tortured Syntax of the Month" thread.

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Actually, if their god makes better pancakes, I'm totally switching sides. -- Charley the Australopithecine

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...the fact that the vast majority of abortions are merely self-serving lifestyle choices....

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Whether this is true or not, there is nothing wrong with self-serving lifestyle choices when there is no harm done to another person.

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Actually, if their god makes better pancakes, I'm totally switching sides. -- Charley the Australopithecine

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Which is not something we can speak of when it comes to defining personhood.

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Sure we can. We do it all the time.People eat beef because cows are defined to be not "persons".Conservatives advocate capital punishment because, even though they acknowledge that murders are people, they nonetheless have forfeited the rights of "personhood".On another thread, Tal acknowledge that innocent civilians killed in US military actions in Iraq are "persons" who have the rights of "personhood", but nonetheless we shouldn't feel guilty about their deaths while waging a "just war".We make judgements about "personhood" and their rights all the time.Why on earth should cancer tumors, tapeworms, and fetuses be any different?-

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Let's agree that the harm part of the proceedings is established in any case.

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So you think we should just agree that you are right? Why should I be surprised to see you suggest this?

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Actually, if their god makes better pancakes, I'm totally switching sides. -- Charley the Australopithecine

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Hence the...inconsistencies in most positions on this topic.

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Hi, Straggler.Actually, I think a lot of the inconsistencies probably stem from the attempt to explain the position to nonbelievers rather than from the position itself.For example, the anti-woman anti-sex anti-abortion position is: God thinks that women should be baby producing machines. And fetuses have souls, too.But they realize that the non-lunatics would think they were daft if they were to just come out an say it. So they have to make up a bunch of junk that they don't understand or believe to try to make up a reasonable argument for their position.

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Actually, if their god makes better pancakes, I'm totally switching sides. -- Charley the Australopithecine

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Funny, but Rob doesn't even understand what I say half the time.

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I doubt that Rob understands what he writes half the time. Oh shit! Did I hit "Submit Reply"?

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Actually, if their god makes better pancakes, I'm totally switching sides. -- Charley the Australopithecine