Even the ones that aren't specifically about terminating a fetus? Are you going to ban hysterectomies because of the risk of terminating an unknown, unborn child?
One of the easiest things in the world to find out is whether a woman is pregnant or not. Even those over-the-counter products are extremely accurate. They can sometimes give you a false positive, but as far as I know, a false negative is an impossibility. As far hysterctomies concerned, its a non-issue. If people don't want to have children for whatever reason, I'm all for them exercising their power of "choice" and making sure they don't take out a life over their selfishness.
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Would you prosecute a women holding a child who accidently fell down the stairs killing the child? Pretty sure I was talking about an premeditated event.
I'd prosecute a woman who threw her child down the stairs on purpose. Wouldn't you?
If she threw her child down stairs that wouldn't be an accident now would it?
But you're begging the question.
You're grasping at straws.
You've got a woman at the bottom of the stairs who just started a miscarriage. Do you prosecute, or not? If it depends on her intent, how are you going to determine that?
Every one is innocent until proven guilty, Crash. A quick exam of her uterus would show signs of trauma which would inevitably prove or disprove that case.
Are you going to launch an investigation every time a miscarriage happens?
The only time an investigation would be launched is if and when the gynecologist checks the cervix and finds evidence of an abortion. Whenever a miscarriage happens, the first thing they do is give her a gynecological exam to see what the cause is. It wouldn't hardly take any investigation at all.
Since, under your system, women are forced to give birth
Heaven forbid she be accountable for her own actions. Perish the thought.
what about a woman who didn't want a pregnancy but never intended to break the law by getting an abortion. If that's the woman at the bottom of the stairs, are you going to use her lack of enthusiasm for forced birth against her in a court of law? Would, say, the woman's past involvement in women's right issues and advocacy for access to abortion, in your mind, constitute proof that her little tumble was premeditated?
No. Physical evidence would reveal itself on medical procedure. I'm not saying when ever a woman miscarries that she be under "suspicion." This is apparently your invented fearmongering scenario. Whenever a woman has a miscarriage, she is examined for her own health. While she is being examined, the evidence would stick out like a sore thumb.
This is all grasping at straws.
You're begging the question by talking about intent and premeditation. What I'm asking you is, how do you determine intent when an abortion occurs?
Since women don't ordinarily shove hangers in their vagina's causing severe internal damage, that might be a tip-off, don't you think? What other reason would she insert hangers inside of her? Masturbation? Something tells me that just wouldn't be sexually satisfying.
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Their expertise on the matter would be necessary.
But would it be authoritative?
Aren't all forensics introduced in to a court of law on the basis of their authority? You can't exactly get a medical degree out of a Cracker Jack box.
I mean, it seems pretty easy for me to imagine "underground" abortionists who asserted, falsely, "life-and-death emergency" in every case of elective abortion.
I have no doubt that would happen if abortion were ever to become illegal. No doubt, whatsoever. In the event the party is caught, they will stand trial as any one else would and either be convicted or exonerated.
What do you plan to do about those cases? It's hard to imagine you simply taking the doctors word for it if, indeed, you're concerned about all those little innocent lives.
Crash, homicide detectives are concerned with all of their victims. It doesn't mean they are going to be 100%. I'm sure there are going to be a few who escape human justice. But just because some get away with it doesn't mean we stop prosecuting murderers because some of them end up getting away.
(Of course, the alternate explanation is that you aren't concerned, and this is just more of the same slut-shaming that underlies most of the so-called "pro-life" movement. If that's not your aim, feel free to ignore my speculation, but then you've got a glaring contradiction to address.)
Slut-shaming? Its about killing people, Crash. Murdering them. It has nothing to do with the act of fornication. A married women could get pregnant and want an abortion. Because she's married, you think she's going to get a pass because she's not a "slut?" That's absurd. Its about taking innocent life for selfishness and how calloused society has become about it. That's all its about, that's all it will ever be about.
Tansy? Pennyroyal? Black cohosh? These are just herbs you can go out and pick, some that perhaps have legitimate uses at lower concentrations or different preparations. In your quest to save all those little innocent lives, are you going to ban and destroy these plants?
We don't ban cyanide because
some people have used it for nefarious purposes, so why should plants be any different? You know, some people have used pens to kill people with. We don't ban writing materials because a handful of people have used it deceitfully.
Suppose a woman miscarries. A routine toxin screen shows a slight level of silphium in her blood. Are you going to prosecute her for unborn-icide? What if she simply miscarried for another reason, and was using (or even just handling) silphium for one of the myriad other uses it was known for in the ancient world?
You go where the evidence leads, Crash, like anything else. Some people conducting an autopsy aren't expecting to find a plot for murder when its uncovered. Sometimes that happens. Sometimes detectives suspect homicide when an autopsy rules it out. Your ad hoc scenarios are specious because we would handle like everything else is handled. The mother is innocent until proven guilty. Perio
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