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tudwell Member (Idle past 6005 days) Posts: 172 From: KCMO Joined: |
As I'm sure everyone knows, people who are against abortion usually aren't 100% against it. They always have exceptions, such as: the mother was raped, carrying the pregnancy to term would threaten the mother's life, &c.
In this thread I want to analyze the minutiae and practicalities of these limits on abortion. Regarding rape, for example: Does a woman merely have to claim she was raped to get an abortion? Does she need to file a police report? Must a doctor inspect her for any evidence of rape? Should the abortion wait until the rapist is convicted? Where do we draw the line? Coffee House, I suppose, since this has little to do with EvC.
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tudwell Member (Idle past 6005 days) Posts: 172 From: KCMO Joined: |
Would it be off topic to discuss why the woman's being raped in any way justifies the abortion? Yes, it would be. I really want to look at the real-life effects that the restrictions proposed by some pro-lifers might have. The issue of why rape should justify abortion, while interesting, never leads anywhere because both sides are so convinced they are right. Feel free to propose a new topic, though. I'd be happy to discuss it there.
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tudwell Member (Idle past 6005 days) Posts: 172 From: KCMO Joined: |
The limit in my mind is something like an ectopic pregnancy where both mother and child will die. Only then is it justified. Does that mean only situations where the mother and child have a 100% chance of dying should result in abortion?
The only criteria for an abortion is to be pregnant. Rape doesn't even factor in to it. I happen to agree. Others, however, have expressed contrary opinions, which is why I included it in the OP.
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tudwell Member (Idle past 6005 days) Posts: 172 From: KCMO Joined: |
quote: Since (in most of the US) the fetus would typically be already born and likely in kindergarten by that time, I'm afraid that wouldn't be practical. That's what I was thinking. So, if courts of law are ruled out, how else can we determine the veracity of a woman's claim of being raped? Or should we just give abortions to all women claiming to be raped?
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tudwell Member (Idle past 6005 days) Posts: 172 From: KCMO Joined: |
Seldom is anything 100%. What I mean is that if there is a high probability of death for both parties, you must opt to save the mother because the child will die regardless. So what exactly is a "high probability"?
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tudwell Member (Idle past 6005 days) Posts: 172 From: KCMO Joined: |
Under what circumstances is it appropriate to force a woman to continue a pregnancy against her will? Being pro-choice, I would say none. But this thread is about examining the pro-life view on abortion and determining whether or not certain restrictions are viable and what the implications would be were we to enforce those restrictions.
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tudwell Member (Idle past 6005 days) Posts: 172 From: KCMO Joined: |
From the pro-life position, then, under what circumstances is it appropriate to force a woman to continue a pregnancy against her will? From my experience, the answer would be 'most circumstances'. Not getting an abortion would be the norm (if the pro-lifers had their way). Only under certain circumstances would a women be allowed to abort, like, say, if she were raped, or if she (and/or the baby) were going to die if she carried the pregnancy to term.
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tudwell Member (Idle past 6005 days) Posts: 172 From: KCMO Joined: |
I think the usual argument is that she didn't consent to sex, and therefore shouldn't be held liable for the child. But I don't want to debate that here. The fact is, some people think abortion should be illegal for everyone except rape victims. What I want to do in this thread is see just what it would look like if such legislation were passed.
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tudwell Member (Idle past 6005 days) Posts: 172 From: KCMO Joined: |
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
So, would abortions be prescribed on a case by case basis? As far as I know, there's no single disease/abnormality/complication that will result in the death of both mother and child 100% of the time, so we can't just say, anybody with X can get an abortion. It's more subjective than that. Would individual doctors decide whether or not their patients should have abortions? What kind of system would be put into play by you?
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tudwell Member (Idle past 6005 days) Posts: 172 From: KCMO Joined: |
If there is trauma shown, that's a lead you follow. If a woman fell down the stairs, there would be trauma whether it was intentional or not. How would you tell if it's intentional?
It always boils down to the intent. And you can't determine intent through an autopsy, meaning you would have to investigate every single miscarriage, if an intentional miscarriage is illegal.
The OP was simply asking pro-lifers what circumstances would they allow an abortion. I gave one. You took this thread to another level. Actually, this is exactly what I wanted the thread to be. I wanted to examine your proposed limits on abortion, not just hear them. I think it's going quite well.
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tudwell Member (Idle past 6005 days) Posts: 172 From: KCMO Joined: |
It's been asked before, but it's been largely ignored. NJ, iano, petrophysics, etc., this one is for you.
We've already established some of the possible ways to retroactively stop abortion (legal prosecution), but what are ways to proactively stop abortion? What would you have kids learn about sex, and from whom? Would it be the birds and the bees from Mom and Dad, or Sex Ed in Health class? How widely available would contraceptives be?
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