Limits on Abortion

Why both parties? If just the mother's life is in danger, doesn't she have the right to kill in self-defense?

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Sigh.Sigh again.Sigh once more.Seriously, NJ. Just ten seconds on google before you post. That's all I ask.

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-Stephen Colbert

In fairness, I think that diagram's inaccurate. Y'see, I pretty severely doubt that people who view women as blank baby vessels manage to acknowledge the existence of the clitoris.

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"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

Okay. So let's say it's five months in. The mother has a condition that needs to be treated now, but can't have a baby in the womb to do so. (Let's say chemo, just as an example.)Without the treatment, she'll live the four months, and the baby will be born, but she'll die soon after.Should she be allowed to abort the fetus to save her life? Even if we assume the fetus is a fully-functional human, it's still self-defense.EDIT: You know what? Let's make it even simpler. The complications of the pregnancy will allow her to live long enough to get that kid, at the very least, into an incubator. But not long thereafter. She gets the abortion, she'll be fine. But if she delivers a healthy kid, she'll die. Should she be allowed to have an abortion?Edited by Dan Carroll, : to simple things up a bit

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"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

Uh... yes, he would, NJ. The nervous system doesn't shut off when you go to sleep. Except for the pregnant women who are in tears because they don't know what to do about the pregancy. I mean... I guess you can yell "congratulations" at them, but it would be kind of stupid. Yes... I too am a sequence of words or terms which co-occur more often than would be expected by chance.Of cells. What you don't mention is that the chances of serious complications are 1 in 100,000, while the chance of serious complications in pregnancy are 1 in 10,000. Source.As always, don't let this spoil your fun. Congratulations. This is, without question, the most ridiculously fucking naive thing I have ever read in my life.I read books by David Icke for fun. He honestly believes that the world is controlled by Illuminati snake demons.This wins. Ooh! Can I be there when you laugh out loud, and ask her why she's not celebrating her pregnancy? But your posts make it so easy!Edited by Dan Carroll, : to correct link

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"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

No it isn't. What on earth are you talking about?There are two forms of abortion. One is medication abortion, which involves taking a pill that induces a miscarriage. The other is vacuum aspiration, in which the cervix is stretched open, and suction from a hand-held device is used to terminate the pregnancy. While this method is certainly more invasive, neither option involves surgery.Seriously, do you even know what you're objecting to? Did you even read it when I pointed out that the risk of serious complication is 10 times higher for pregnancy than for abortion?

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"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

The method you're referring to, according to the article in question, is one used only when simple vacuum aspiration is unavailable, and accounts for only 2.4% of abortions.This, of course, leaves aside that under this definition, (using tools and cutting instruments to alter the state of the body) getting your ears pierced is surgery.Either way, NJ's allegation that "abortion is surgery" and involves "going under the knife" is demonstrable crap.

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"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

Yes, but it doesn't actually refer to anything getting cut until the article has moved on from vacuum aspiration and onto dilation and curettage. (Which, as stated above, is used only 2.4% of the time.)Meanwhile, inducing labor with prostaglandin is listed in the same section, which doesn't involve anything resembling surgery. It's a fairly poorly-written article. Not every use of vacuum aspiration calls for anaesthetics. Meanwhile, getting a filling in your tooth requires novocaine every single time, and hardly qualifies as surgery.

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"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert