Limits on Abortion

Me neither.Abortion is morally wrong, but I don't think we should totally outlaw it.All-in-all, I think you should let the women decide what she wants to do about her pregnancey. It kinda sucks for the men (if they want to keep it and she doesn't), but such is life.There's enough reasons to keep it legal, especially when I (we) cannot provide convincing evidence that it is, in fact, morally wrong.Its kinda sad but there's worse shit going on...Also, ultimately, the life of the unborn child does depend on the choices the mother makes.

If conservatives are so broken up about the prospect of becoming unintended fathers, why are they so resolute in blocking FDA approval of male birth control?

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There is a fixed point... Its at conception. The nano-second a sperm fertilizes an egg is the precise point in time where a brand new person generates. Call it God or call it nature, but it is more than evident that this is the case.

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So, does this mean that you wish to collect all of the menstrual fluid of sexually active women, since there are better than 50% chance that there will be a person in there?Shouldn't all of those people get decent burials if they are deceased, or be frozen, and later implanted into uteruses, if they are still viable? Edited by nator, : No reason given.

I don't know. I don't know what you're talking typing about.

...yeah? And? How is that any different than usual?Conservatives don't know anything about conservatism. What else is new?

How do you tell the difference between a fetus and a tumour, DNA-wise? If DNA defines "human", then a tumour is human and should never be "killed". Much more independent than a fetus. An infant can be adopted by a different parent. A fetus can not be transplanted to a new host. Actually, it's much less than "evident", or you'd have some evidence to back up the claim. The two previous paragraphs show that a fetus is not a separate human.

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It is a shame that a very narrow topic was turned into the same old abortion argument.We tend to allow for wandering in the Coffee House, but this one took a plunge early on.This thread is not about whether abortion should or should not be legal or whether abortion is right or wrong.Please read Message 1 and try to keep the discussion along those lines for the next 80 posts. Please direct any comments concerning this Admin msg to the Moderation Thread.

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I see we have wandered from the topic. again. The issue is whether rape is sufficient cause compared to other causes for abortion.Personally I don't think you can allow rape as a cause and not allow any other cause to be equally valid. It is not a difference in kind but one in degree.

And does a baby count as someone legally incompetant?

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A minor child counts as someone legally incompetent. This could be a child of 10 years old for instance. It would also apply to any person who functions at a 10 year level regardless of calendar age.

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This is why - morally and ethically - the legal system has historically left this level of decision up to the families.

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There is nothing to prevent people acting on their individual beliefs when this is the case. Conversely legal restrictions on choice Do infringe on the traditional rights of the families involved.

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So, would it be ok, according to this, to disconnect all babies in neo-natal care from their oxygen supplies? Just curious about how you feel.

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IF it was the wishes of the family that no heroic measures were to be undertaken. This is an established legal right and protects the beliefs of families that feel ANY medical treatment contravenes their beliefs. It is ironic to me that essentially religious views contradicts themselves here.The issue comes down to personal choice, followed by family choice. If you think rape is sufficient cause then you don't think there is anything special involved.Enjoy.Edited by RAZD, : to get back to the topic

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You are missing the point Nem, but this is too off-topic to go into further here. We can start another topic to discuss this issue. AdminPD has spoken.

I started one - Abortion - Moments of (Mis)Conception whichmight meet your requirements for a new abortion thread.

I wish I could find the time to search the news archives. When I was growing up in the Great State of Iowa the “horror stories” were rampant in the press and on the News. Juxtaposed with a liberalizing abortion bill pending in the State Senate the pro-choice groups (before they were even call “pro-choice”) were pulling out all the stops. These “horror stories” were used to justify their position. I was there. I experienced it.One very special group of stories stay with me still. There used to be (mostly) religiously run “Homes for Wayward Girls.” The stories of whippings for those who did not pray adequately, chains on beds to keep the girls from “wondering into sinfulness,” just set me off. I used to think it was such a waste to not have one of those homes over my back fence where I could meet and “console” these poor souls. I was 14, what can I say.Your incredulity not withstanding the arguments were made and were successful.Your view that abortion is murder is not shared by all. In fact, it was not shared by a significant percentage of Iowa voters back then. I do not share it now.Your view that adoption is the better alternative is great. Go out and convince the public. Set the example. Have you adopted?I recognize that our differences on this issue stem from our differing world views. Yours is religious. Mine is not. So let the Great Debate continue.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Mind explaining this a little bit more? I think I have an excuse to not know what you're talking about since I'm not a conservative...

I'm an optimistic science fiction fan. I dream of one day where this is possible...

Yeah. I wouldn't rule it out. In my lifetime, heart transplants have gone from unheard-of to (almost) routine.But it would only be one more option. You can't force a woman to have a transplant. (I would think that having a fetus transplanted in would be a more attractive option than having one transplanted out.)

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