Bush vs. Gore in energy consumption

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If Gore was really that concerned, he could easily have geothermal, combined with solar energy, and possible a wind tower.

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He is adding solar panels, BTW, according to a spokesperson.An Inconveniently Easy Headline: Gore's Electric Bills Spark Debate - The New York Times Also, here is Kieth Olberman's short explanation of Gore's energy bill:Olbermann On Gore's Energy Use: Setting The Record Straight | Crooks and Liars

Yea, I am not attacking him. It is what it is. There is irony in this story, that I found amusing.
The same thing happens with preaching.
I believe the bible says that the message is more important than the person telling it.

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There is irony in this story, that I found amusing.

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The story only appears ironic when one doesn't have all the facts. Edited by nator, : No reason given.

What questions, exactly? Like - why doesn't the Snopes piece compare Gore's house with Bush's primary residence, the White House? It'd be interesting to see how that comparison went. What, in the middle of downtown Belle Meade? Brilliant suggestion, RR. Do you think about this stuff before you write it?This year was the first year Gore was legally able to install solar panels, by the way, owning to local zoning restrictions. It took years of prodding to get that changed. The example Gore sets is that his home, despite being a primary residence for both the Gores and his live-in security staff, and being the offices from which both Al and Tipper manage their charitable organizations, uses less energy per square foot than the average house in the same region.That sounds like a pretty good example to me, unless you're determined to defend misleading comparisons against very large oranges and very small apples. How much energy does Bush burn in the White House?

Could you address the irony of asserting that a conservative hit piece being flogged in every major media outlet has been "concealed" by the "liberal media"?Edited by crashfrog, : No reason given.

Don't forget, it's more expensive for the Gore's to purchase their power from "green" sources.

I alluded to that back in message 3, but it's a point worth repeating, since it was ignored.

Of course I thought about, it seems you do not.You can put geothermal just about anywhere. And solar panels can go right on your roof. A wind tower you cannot, that is why I said possibly.I know because I install this stuff. That's odd, because most states are giving tax creadits, and low interest loans to put this stuff in. I have not run into a town that wouldn't let you stick some solar panels on your roof.I would like to see proof. Well gee, I don't know crash, I mean since you are looking to compare apples to apples, then if Gore is running is little business from his home, and Bush is running the country, and a national landmark, from the White house, then I just don't know.Oh BTW, here ya go:
Briefing Room - The White House

It is not worth repeating or even mentioning.Sure the article alludes to "how much it costs" to run Gores house, but no matter what, geothermal is way more efficient than heating your home with natural gas, up to 50% more efficient, and uses less resources, no matter the cost. Any intelligent person, up on the latest way to save energy should know that. So per square foot, there is less of an impact on the enviroment.ABE I wonder if Gore is even using high efficiency furnaces, and radiant floor heating.Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.

Anywhere you're sitting on top of a significant geothermal heat source within easy drilling range, and you have a ready supply of cheap water for the thermal transfer, and enough room for the plant.You have no idea how geothermal power even works, do you? The idea that you could use geothermal power in the middle of a city is ridiculous. Possibly what?You had no idea where Gore's house was located until I told you, did you? How many such panels have you installed? How many towns? Proof. Isn't that a lot closer analogue to a house with a live-in security staff and offices for multiple people than a ranch house in Texas that people only live in about two months out of the year?Look, you're the one that started a thread on comparing people's "houses", not me. If you want to compare the houses of Bush and Gore, why don't you compare the house Bush actually lives in?

crash, I have some bad news for you. You need to sit down, and take a back seat, as I am an expert in the field of geothermal work, and I install them for a living.You really have no idea how it works, or were you can use it. If you would like, I can teach it to you, or point you towards the resources for you to understand it.Yes, Gore can have geothermal, for air conditioning, and heating, if his local codes allow him. Most states, and counties do. Yes, I did, but that doesn't mean he can't have a wind tower. They are more cost effective, and easy to set up than you think. They are also not that large. 2 states, and 4 counties, and dozens od towns. cudos to Gore.I wonder what furnaces and condensers he is using. Because that is not as much as a house, as it is an office, and I wouldn't compare any house to the white house.don't you think that is unreasonable?Why are you going out of your way to stick up for Gore? pfffft

*snicker*No offense, but Holmes has sort of ruined the "self-claimed credentials" act when, coincidentally, he claimed expertise in literally every subject he ever commented on.I'll grant that I might very well be surprised where you can install a geothermal system these days. But you're talking about the costs of retrofitting a radiant-heat system into a hundred-year-old mansion and drilling to a sufficient depth in Tennessee to get geothermal heat - and the commensurate fossil fuel use of the production of those materials and the operation of that machinery. I'm not an expert in geothermal systems, but I know a thing or two about radiant heat in residential settings, and you're just plain lying to my face if you're telling me that's cheaper than offsetting the carbon emissions of a natural gas forced-air system. Do they? It hardly seems cricket to fault Gore for not taking illegal steps to reduce his carbon footprint. In the middle of a city? I think there's a number of reasons why that would be unfeasible, not least of which is the lack of sufficient wind. No, it's a residence (the East Wing.) The First Family lives there. It's also offices, sure - but then so is Gore's mansion. "Out of my way?" Do you think it's at all hard to prove you wrong?

It's a bit of a side note but it's about solar panels.Why on Earth would Reagan REMOVE the solar panels that Carter put on the White House? What possible reason other than "I just friggin' hate the enviornement" would there be for spending money to send people up on the roof to pull out the system which proves you with free heat/electricity?That's the GOP we're used to. Those are the people who pen attack articles like the one you posted.These people, quite simply, WANT to ruin the planet. It's part of their grand religeous plan. Why not make a buck ruining the planet if armagedon is right around the corner anyway?

Yes, it cost much to add radiant, but as I have stated, with the tax breaks, and low interest loans available from governemt, it pratically pays for itself.Building "green" houses cost us, the consumer, more money. That is the price we have to pay to reverse the effects of all that we have done. Gore knows this."Getting to the depth" only requires a few feet for horizontal loops. If you do not have th eland for horizontal loops, then you must go veritcal, which takes up little to no room. But the drilling and hole preparation is more expensive.Oh, and BTW, there is no "plant". It is just a compressor minus the condensor, just like the one outside your house, if you currently have central air installed. Er what?The benefits far outweigh that. Uh?
offsetting the carbon emissions?Not sure what you mean by that, but radiant is always the cheapest way to heat your house, once installed. By as much as 50%.Radiant can work, with all the types of energy currently available. The newest wind towers are small, and do not need much wind, they are also very affordable. If he owns more than an acre, he has tons of room for it. There is wind everywhere, in case you didn't notice, and while it may not be as effcient as a wind tower on top of a hill, it still is free energy. You cannot prove me wrong, because I am not saying anything.I was only amused, because Bush is always the one made out to not care about the enviroment. I think we can see now, from his Texas whitehouse, to the actual energy saving steps taken in the actual white house, that Bush does care somewhat about the enviroment.We already know that Gore cares.

I don't have an answer for that.
But the solar panels are back since 2002. (new ones)
The old ones were for sale. That's why we should never give up on good ideas.
This morning, I actually saw a special on global warming, and how to cut back on energy consumption on TBN. +gasp+