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2ice_baked_taters Member (Idle past 6107 days) Posts: 566 From: Boulder Junction WI. Joined: |
The Christians will attribute this to our fallen nature, I think of it as evolutionary heritage. A heritage that can be overcome with our new found intelligence and self-awareness. With time maybe these shadows may disappear or at least fade as their value becomes of less propagation utility. I would dissagree.I Think you would find that intelligence has no bearing on a persons moral behavior.
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2ice_baked_taters Member (Idle past 6107 days) Posts: 566 From: Boulder Junction WI. Joined: |
One thing I have noticed is that though rape of men by women or other men has been acknowledged at one small point in this thread it has largely been ignored. So it suggests to me a double standard harbored by both men and women. It is more acceptable if women rape men or, men rape men or, if men or boys are raped in general?
If an older male teacher would have had an affair with a younger female student of say....15 The public response would have been drastic. Such was not the case with recent similar events when the reverse happened. If one goes by Frogs way of thinking all women should assume they are capable of rape.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 4183 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
So what conclusions about men in general (assuming all the acts were committed by men) does that lead you to, if you don't mind me asking? Is it a problem with men per se, or perhaps the culture into which they have been born? that they generally fail to take responsibility for their own behavior. it has been my experience that little boys are raised to be bad. if a boy does something wrong in class or on the playground parents laugh and say "boys will be boys". this leads men to think that they can get away with anything--because they can. it's completely acceptable for a man to whistle at a woman. he thinks it's flattery. she thinks it's harassment, at least i do. my body is not a toy for yor viewing pleasure, it is a tool for me to use to accomplish my goals, like walking and dancing and beating up assholes. however, we're reaching a point where parents fail to punish any children and this is a very dangerous fact. but it's not just in america. women everywhere are expected to behave and men are not. this reaches an extreme in the middle east where many women (of many faiths) are murdered for even being suspected of any indiscretion and men are free to do as they please. my general feeling from this is that people are screwed up. but then my 'this i believe' essay is going to be on mercy. i have considered wearing a hijab, but i just don't think it would help. what would make my life better is if every good man told one asshole to behave himself every few days and soon we'd have fewer assholes. if more christians worried about converting people to treating each other right and less about fire insurance, we'd have a completely different country.
This is truly shocking. Is this a local policy - no long-term contraceptives to unmarried women? Does this same apply to the pill? it's a general policy in both florida and new jersey (says a friend, i bet in other states too) at most doctors and clinics. the iud makes one vulnerable to infection, particularly pelvic inflamatory disease. their desire is to prevent anyone from getting this by ensuring monogamous relationships. marriage, it's not enough that i've been with my boyfriend for a year and a half. but i'm a big girl and i use condoms, too. the only place i can get one is planned parenthood because of their rabid desire to kill babies (sarcasm).
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 4183 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
absolutely. i'm also capable of murder and of 'accidentally' letting one of the kids i work with drown (swim instructor). the difference is that women are raised to be social and are expected to understand the consequences that their actions can have for others. girls play together, boys get into trouble--alone.
there is a cultural ignorance of rape of males. it's horrible. but it is not a separate phenomenon. it is one person willing to destroy another person to gain the power they desire.
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nator Member (Idle past 2425 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Rape of men by women is extremely rare. Rape of men or boys by men is more common (1:33) However, a big reason it hasn't been brought up that much is becasue it wasn't part of my controversial opinion, which dealt with male on female violent, forcible rape. Your example of a May-December affair, or "statutory rape" is not relevant. Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1723 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
If one goes by Frogs way of thinking all women should assume they are capable of rape. I think they should. I don't think anybody should go through life assuming that they're completely incapable of monstrous acts, because the people who do think they're incapable seem mor elikely to commit them, simply because while they're committing them, they'll refuse to admit that anything that they're doing is monstrous. People who think they're better or different than everybody else are a lot more likely, in my opinion, to simply wave away any evidence to the contrary; much more likely to think that the "rules" simply weren't meant to apply to them.
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2ice_baked_taters Member (Idle past 6107 days) Posts: 566 From: Boulder Junction WI. Joined: |
Your example of a May-December affair, or "statutory rape" is not relevant. It is very relevant with respect to my point. Your May-December "affair" comment illustrates my point. It appears you want us to somehow feel more for one person wronged than another.
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2ice_baked_taters Member (Idle past 6107 days) Posts: 566 From: Boulder Junction WI. Joined: |
The notion of Nature Vs. Nurture is a meaningless statement.
There is no sepparation. . |
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2ice_baked_taters Member (Idle past 6107 days) Posts: 566 From: Boulder Junction WI. Joined: |
I think they should. I don't think anybody should go through life assuming that they're completely incapable of monstrous acts, because the people who do think they're incapable seem mor elikely to commit them, simply because while they're committing them, they'll refuse to admit that anything that they're doing is monstrous. This is an interesting way of thinking I do not agree with. I can go through life assuming I am incapable of acts of good. So this means I am more likely to commit an act of good simply because I refuse to believe anything I'm doing is good. Your comments are simply identifying those who do not wish to take responsibility for their actions. Of course this touches on the shakey subject of morality. Our moral discrepancies cause war which we justify. Interesting loop.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1723 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
This is an interesting way of thinking I do not agree with. I can go through life assuming I am incapable of acts of good. So this means I am more likely to commit an act of good simply because I refuse to believe anything I'm doing is good. This is a false attempt to turn my logic on its head. Your reasoning is false because of what we know from human psychology - people almost always think the best of themselves rather than the worst. People give themselves the benefit of the doubt. Almost nobody thinks of themselves as a bad or evil person, or as incompetent at what they do. (No matter what you ask them to rate about themselves, if you ask a random sample of people to rate themselves compared to "average", 70-90% of those polled will rate themselves "above average" or greater.) What you don't seem to understand yet is how many good people wind up doing horrible things. I mean, how do you think it works? The German Army in 1935 simply managed to attract every psychopath in Europe? The Milgram experiment, coincidentally, had every sociopath in town sign up for the experiment? Good people do bad things. Part of it is their desire to be accepted and do what authority tells them. Another part of it is that they always tell themselves how good they are as people, and therefore whatever they're doing can't actually be that bad.
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2ice_baked_taters Member (Idle past 6107 days) Posts: 566 From: Boulder Junction WI. Joined: |
This is a false attempt to turn my logic on its head. Your reasoning is false because of what we know from human psychology - people almost always think the best of themselves rather than the worst. People give themselves the benefit of the doubt. Almost nobody thinks of themselves as a bad or evil person, or as incompetent at what they do. (No matter what you ask them to rate about themselves, if you ask a random sample of people to rate themselves compared to "average", 70-90% of those polled will rate themselves "above average" or greater.) Bad or evil is subjective. For instance, people we might consider to have done terribly evil terrorist attacks only see their actions as justified reprizals for what they view as terrorist attacks.Not all people do this. I am very aware of what I suck at. I am painfully aware of my weaknesses. They are frustrating at times. Good people do bad things. Part of it is their desire to be accepted and do what authority tells them. Another part of it is that they always tell themselves how good they are as people, and therefore whatever they're doing can't actually be that bad. In the case of the milgren exp. It apears to be what I call the sheep and the flock syndrome or herd mentallity....not taking responsibilty for ones actions. Refusal to think for ones self. Disturbing how quickly we can dehumanise others..."whatever it might mean to be human" I would see myself tested in some manor to see if it is just me or that I really do understand who I am. I understand what circumstances could make me commit a violent act in general but rape is about power over another. Pleasure by the physical and or psychological damage of another. That is not in me. I think we define a persons character when they say what they mean, mean what they say and back it up with demonstration. "This" = trust from others.
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nator Member (Idle past 2425 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Well, yes, I think that we should feel more for a victim of violent, forcible rape compared to the victim of statutory rape. Statutory rape is not a violent crime, and in some cases, probably shouldn't really be considered a crime at all. Forcible rape is a violent crime. Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1723 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I understand what circumstances could make me commit a violent act in general but rape is about power over another. Sometimes. Sometimes the power is "make your buddy rape this girl."
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3853 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
Holy smokes. Someone understood me. (It helps, of course, if someone tries.) Thanks, Asgara.
Here's a question for the group. I'd like to read your thoughts about this. --- A child aged 9 comes to you and claims to be the victim of sexual abuse at home. A predatory parent. Under which circumstances are you more likely to report the matter to authorities? 1. the child is a girl and the parent is her mother2. the child is a girl and the parent is her father 3. the child is a boy and the parent is his mother 4. the child is a boy and the parent is his father ___ Archer All species are transitional.
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2ice_baked_taters Member (Idle past 6107 days) Posts: 566 From: Boulder Junction WI. Joined: |
I would be more likely quick to act where a man is involved. In either case I would report it but my first honest reaction was to want to know more about the situations with the woman before I proceeded.
We are predisposed as a whole to think of men as violent and women as passive. I've been watching it here. I have seen it countless times in ereveryday life. It is acceptable of a man hits a man who has struck him. If a woman strikes a man not only is it not acceptable to hit her back but if he presses charges people do not think he is a man.So men are supposed to accept violence and women are not held to the same standard.
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