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2ice_baked_taters Member (Idle past 6100 days) Posts: 566 From: Boulder Junction WI. Joined: |
Well, yes, I think that we should feel more for a victim of violent, forcible rape compared to the victim of statutory rape. Statutory rape is not a violent crime, and in some cases, probably shouldn't really be considered a crime at all. Forcible rape is a violent crime. So when a doctor rapes a patient without violence because the doctor is an authority figure and the patient is confused and flustered and freezes like a deer in the headlights, not able to cope....and never pursues it...what then?Rape by coercion is more acceptable? The victim is less a victim? The violence is there, it is just less visible and it appears you find it more acceptable.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1716 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Your example isn't statutory rape, though.
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2ice_baked_taters Member (Idle past 6100 days) Posts: 566 From: Boulder Junction WI. Joined: |
Your example isn't statutory rape, though. My example is what happens very often without physical violence to many people including minors. The point was to illustrate indifference to an attack that can affect people just as profoundly.If I force you into a legal battle and spend you into bancrupcy resulting in the loss of your home,job,and marriage or death of a loved one because of stress and lack of funds for medication?...How should you rank on the empathy scale?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1716 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
My example is what happens very often without physical violence to many people including minors. Nobody said that it didn't, and you were responding to a comment that, often, statutory rape is the prosecution of a rape that, by all accounts, did not actually happen. What was your point, exactly?
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2ice_baked_taters Member (Idle past 6100 days) Posts: 566 From: Boulder Junction WI. Joined: |
I stated my opinion on the acceptability of one assault over another and the desparity that seems to happen because of gender or perception.
The Idea afloat is that we should somehow feel more empathy for one victim than another.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1716 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
The Idea afloat is that we should somehow feel more empathy for one victim than another. I think that the empathy we should feel for a victim is proportional to the severity of the offense against them, and that's basically the only relevant factor.
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3847 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
Here's that question again.
quote: ___ Archer All species are transitional.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1654 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
The Idea afloat is that we should somehow feel more empathy for one victim than another.
Your example isn't statutory rape, though.
My example is what happens very often without physical violence to many people including minors. The point was to illustrate indifference to an attack that can affect people just as profoundly. But you are still not distinguishing between statutory rape, where the sexual intercourse is called rape because it involves a minor and for NO other reason, and one where coercion was used You can have a 17 year old and a 19 year old have willing, wanted, consensual sex, and in some states it is classed as rape due the the age of the younger member, while in other states it is not so classed. In either case there is no "victim" as both are willing participants. When there are arbitrary laws there will be arbitrary results. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1593 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
n what sense does biology study the real world and not theoretical models above physics and chemistry? (I'll leave maths out) it's a rather biased statement, and one that's actually unfounded, i'll admit. it's more of a joke directly mostly at physics than anything. all science certainly studies the real world.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1593 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Loved Asimov's take on that in the Foundation novels where the Foundation had started exporting technology as a religion. Say the right prayer and press the red button and it works. having used technology all my life, i can surely say that the more advanced it is, the more prayer becomes important in its daily use. "pleeeeeaaassssee work this time. please...."
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
African proverb: “The ax forgets, the tree remembers.” That's a great proverb... In the future, will I be like the ax and forget about it, or like the tree who remembers? Hmmmmm?
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Rape of men by women is extremely rare. I have been molested by two women while I severely inebriated who I wouldn't have ordinarily done anything with. I'm a minority times two. I can't say I was raped in a classic sense, but I was definitely molested. Though I can't really say for certain because I can't remember that with clarity. I just woke up and, hello! What the hell are you doing!
Rape of men or boys by men is more common I was molested by a male neighbor. He also molested my sister. And then the crazy bastard called me up like three years thinking I must have forgotten acting like everything was just peaches and cream.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1716 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I have been molested by two women while I severely inebriated who I wouldn't have ordinarily done anything with. I'm a minority times two. I can't say I was raped in a classic sense, but I was definitely molested. No, I'd say you were raped. At least it could be argued that you were raped. You're free to use whatever language you like to describe your own personal story, of course.
And then the crazy bastard called me up like three years thinking I must have forgotten acting like everything was just peaches and cream. I'm sure that he's certain what he remembers doing to you couldn't possibly have happened, because he's a "good person" and would never do that to a kid. That's what I was getting at, before. (I apologize in advance for using your personal story to springboard to my own thoughts.) The abusers and rapists think they're good people, and that what they're doing can't possibly be a bad or harmful thing, because they're good people and they could never do anything like that. But obviously they did. Sorry to hear about your history of abuse. What was done to you really sucked, and you have my empathy. Thank you for sharing your story.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
No, I'd say you were raped. At least it could be argued that you were raped. You're free to use whatever language you like to describe your own personal story, of course. Well, yes, I certainly was in the legal sense.
I'm sure that he's certain what he remembers doing to you couldn't possibly have happened, because he's a "good person" and would never do that to a kid. Well, not that I'm defending him, but he was like 16 or 17 at the time. I've tried to pass it off as him being a confused kid. He knew better though. That's why he tried to lure me in an abandoned house because he didn't want anyone to see. And he tried to pretend like we were just playing a "game." Even at such a young age, I knew something was wrong. I had to get out of there as soon as I could.
That's what I was getting at, before. (I apologize in advance for using your personal story to springboard to my own thoughts.) No, that's fine. Not a problem.
The abusers and rapists think they're good people, and that what they're doing can't possibly be a bad or harmful thing, because they're good people and they could never do anything like that. Naturally. Few can admit that to themselves. There is this guy, Nathan Bar Jonah, and he wrote about raping kids then eating them. This is the kind of guy who would swear how great he is, but in the shadows, it was a different story. Seriously, how do you get to the point where you can rape little kids and cannibalize them? It defies logic.
Sorry to hear about your history of abuse. What was done to you really sucked, and you have my empathy. Thank you for sharing your story. I appreciate the kind words. I don't consider my instances very significant because I managed to get out of the house before something worse happened. It could have been a lot worse. I just feel sorry the ones that don't make it out. The instance with the two girls happened when I was about 18. And at the time, though I thought it was kind of messed up to be doing what they did, I didn't really think that men could really argue about things like that. But later on I realized that I was just being molded by society to think a certain way, when in reality, that's not okay for anyone to do. If the roles were reversed, I probably would have been in jail. But because it was girls doing that to a guy, my friends just kind of shirked it off as them being playful, while also laughing at me because they weren't very attractive.
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2ice_baked_taters Member (Idle past 6100 days) Posts: 566 From: Boulder Junction WI. Joined: |
I think that the empathy we should feel for a victim is proportional to the severity of the offense against them, and that's basically the only relevant factor. Correct. The empathy we experience is partly proprtional to what our subjective perception of severe is. It is also dependant upon our personal perception of any degree of culpability a "victim" may have.Small example. Some percieve that the rape of a male over the age of 18 is not as palpable as the rape of an adult female. "men can take care of or, are responsible for, themselves " The percieved gender desparity. Some adults believe that adolescent people as young as 9-12 years of age are perfectly capable of making sound decissions concerning sexual activity and do not see coercion as any kind of misjudgement where a legal adult engadges an adolencent for the purpose of sex. They see the child as culpable in thier own decission. Some people percieve certain college lacross team members as victims and so feel empathy for them. Others percieve them as evil abusive people and feel emapthy soley for the alleged victim. Still others like myself see extremely ignorant men who feel the world owes them a "good time". I also see an ignorant woman who chose to engage in questionable activity in exchange for monetary gain. I feel empathy not for her alleged rape but for her extreme lack of judgement. Her incomprehension of the reality of her choices. I feel some empathy or sadness for all in thier incmprehension of what hardship they may cause themselves and or others until they learn "if they learn". Many varied sitations with many varied perceptions of each exist.
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